Diver_Alan
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Mustang brewery in Oklahoma. All of their beers are just average and boring.
I would have to agree their beers have never impressed me.
Mustang brewery in Oklahoma. All of their beers are just average and boring.
Something I think missing from a lot of these types of discussions is how different and individualistic taste are. Just because I or you don't like something doesn't mean it's bad to others.
Does your buddy at Rail Hop'n know your talking **** for him? Generally speaking that's not a very classy move. I'd be pissed as hell if someone threw my companie's name out there like that in a thread dedicated to bashing others in my industry.
I love it when people claim breweries like New Belgium and SA suck. I can assure you they are doing something right in the world of brewing. Beer is meant to be enjoyed, that's it, nothing more. Based on the volume of beer these guys produce there must be at least a few people out there who are enjoying the product.
No devil's advocate required. (Curious that you capitalized "devil," though ) New Belgium is clearly quasi-craft, mediocre, gateway beer. To me, flat tire is awful, but that's probably a style-preference thing. Add some hops, people!
Shipwrecked Brewpub in Egg Harbor, WI. They have survived purely on being a novelty in a tourist heavy town. I first had their beer in the bottle, and thought, boy, that's a wicked off flavor. Bought a different beer of theirs, same off flavor. About a year later I had the opportunity to try it at the brewery, had a flight of all their beer. Every single one had the same sharp nasty aftertaste off-flavor.
What upsets me the most is that tourists and vacationers will try this thinking that all craft beer tastes this way.
Probably an extract brewery with questionable sourcing or storage practices on the extract.
Probably an extract brewery with questionable sourcing or storage practices on the extract.
Yuengling.
Okay, so they may no longer be considered a small brewery since they opened up additional facilities and expanded distribution.
Their porter is actually decent, if light for the style (not a bad thing), but their flagship Yuengling Lager is swill (again, my opinion).
I would rather drink BMC than Yuengling lager. It's too heavy, too sweet, and really doesn't have a good taste. It fits no particular flavor niche unless you like your beer cloying and palate-saturating (see above comment on Fat Tire).
Heh, I totally agree. Back in 2008 before Yuengling was widely distributed, I was working in PA when a friend raved about trying an "awesome local beer". I had a couple of sips of their flagship lager, looked at my friend and asked "So when are we trying the awesome beer, because this isn't it."
... Conversely, snobbery leads beer guys to cut smaller breweries a lot of slack. Unfortunately, that is also a double edged sword. If one says, "that beer sucks", when many people like it, it shows how refined ones palate is.
I didn't realize there were actual extract breweries. I always figured that was just a home brew thing. I know you can make good extract beer but that's like building a restaurant around the frozen food aisle in the supermarket. That's about the only craft beer business I just can't support. Need to remember to do tours before drinking.....
Is an extract brewery a thing? That's crazy. I know when I walk into a small place I look at their shiny gear and point out to myself their mash tun, brite beer tanks, etc. that's whole new idea to me. Sounds expensive.
Yes, there are basically "Brewpub kits" that serve as a startup for people who want to own/operate a brewpub but want it simple and easy. Often times it's either someone trying to break into the business on the cheap, or someone who is an entrepreneur who isn't interested in brewing, but sees a market opportunity to cash in on the brewery business.
Usually it involves the owner selecting from a menu of styles and maybe a few on rotation and then contracting for delivery of the materials on a regular basis from the seller. Usually the sellers offer the whole package with tanks, piping, and even help with setup, and then they sell these places what amounts to giant extract beer kits.
Some of them can actually produce some decent, drinkable beer, but usually will only have the usual menu (Blonde, Pale, Red, IPA, Porter or stout, and one or two rotating "interesting" beers).
But most just produce mediocre beer because they don't have much control over ingredients or process, as they're buying kits and a semi-automated process.
Yes, there are basically "Brewpub kits" that serve as a startup for people who want to own/operate a brewpub but want it simple and easy. Often times it's either someone trying to break into the business on the cheap, or someone who is an entrepreneur who isn't interested in brewing, but sees a market opportunity to cash in on the brewery business.
Usually it involves the owner selecting from a menu of styles and maybe a few on rotation and then contracting for delivery of the materials on a regular basis from the seller. Usually the sellers offer the whole package with tanks, piping, and even help with setup, and then they sell these places what amounts to giant extract beer kits.
Some of them can actually produce some decent, drinkable beer, but usually will only have the usual menu (Blonde, Pale, Red, IPA, Porter or stout, and one or two rotating "interesting" beers).
But most just produce mediocre beer because they don't have much control over ingredients or process, as they're buying kits and a semi-automated process.
This answers so much. That's why there are so many random restaurants with "their own beer" which usually isn't worth the money not because its terrible but because its just not interesting. Thanks for dropping knowledge.
Usually the restaurants with "their own beer" are just having a local brewery contract brew it for them. At least around here that's the norm... probably not brewing it on site unless they're specifically advertising themselves as a brewpub.
Usually the restaurants with "their own beer" are just having a local brewery contract brew it for them. At least around here that's the norm... probably not brewing it on site unless they're specifically advertising themselves as a brewpub.
Avondale in Birmingham, AL has been the worst craft brewery I have visited, as opposed the Good People in the same town that is top notch. New Belgium I think has always had an "off" flavor. I spend several years living in Europe and grew to really like German and English beers. I am now back in the PNW and find brewery's out here lack selection, tons of very good IPA's but I want a nice English Bitter or a German Helles. The Helles from Ninkasi is horrible.
I am a Vermonter, and I flat out hate Magic Hat. Their beer is just not my bag. I don't know many natives who drink it anymore. Diacetyl and apricot don't make for a tasty mix, as far as I'm concerned (the No 9). Most of what they put out is mediocre or flat out crappy, AFAIC.
I hate the faux hippie aesthetic they use to market too. I tried one beer of theirs that I liked, so I went to look at the website to learn more about it. They told me it was an elixir for the senses, wind through my hair with the convertible top down, hug from a long lost friend kind of bull hockey. It was a struggle to figure out the style and their intent. I didn't buy anymore and regretted revisiting their label.
I do love yuengling. Is it piss water? Sure. Is it refreshing? Absolutely. Not my go to, but I'll always pick up a case when I'm in New York.
Taste is of course subjective, and I mean to offend no one. Just my opinion, I could be wrong.
And two more open every week in seems. The market must be getting near the saturation point by now.There are way too many people around here in Halifax, NS that brew for a few years and jump into commercial brewing.
There's two breweries here that are packed all the time. One of the workers at one of them came over for a brew one night and basically detailed how my process was far more advanced.
She said they haven't even looked into water reports or mash PH yet. Their stouts taste like astringent water and they've actually put out on the market a beer that unintentionally had gotten infected.
It frustrates me that someone gave these guys 2 million to start up a brewery.
Shipwrecked Brewpub in Egg Harbor, WI. They have survived purely on being a novelty in a tourist heavy town. I first had their beer in the bottle, and thought, boy, that's a wicked off flavor. Bought a different beer of theirs, same off flavor. About a year later I had the opportunity to try it at the brewery, had a flight of all their beer. Every single one had the same sharp nasty aftertaste off-flavor.
What upsets me the most is that tourists and vacationers will try this thinking that all craft beer tastes this way.
I have yet to like an Abita beer or a Heavy Seas beer. Admittedly, I have not tried all of their offerings. Grayton beer calls their blonde ale their flagship beer. It's a drain pour.
Interesting. Which ones have you tried? Their Loose Cannon is hands down one of my top beers and that's coming from a guy who isn't crazy about IPA's. Their Imperial Stout and below deck were enjoyable as well. To each their own.
Interesting. Which ones have you tried? Their Loose Cannon is hands down one of my top beers and that's coming from a guy who isn't crazy about IPA's. Their Imperial Stout and below deck were enjoyable as well. To each their own.
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