It might be fun to try to score a zero.
Just submit a Miller 64!
Screw BJCP!!! Bash, bash, baaaaaassshhh!!!
Meh.
I think they don't score beers in the 0-13 range because they don't want to piss people off and in turn them off of competitions....or even homebrewing all together. It is still supposed to be a fun hobby. ..............
At the upper end of the spectrum....I would say that a few beers do actually get there but it supposed to be a rare occurence.
I saw a 7 once, and a 48.
I had one that should have been negative 13. It shot out of the bottle soaking the ceiling panel ten feet above the table. Unfortunately there was enough of the vile liquid left to taste. It was a putrid vegetal butter corn cardboard band-aid. We had to take a break. The adjacent judges changed tables to get away from the smell.
I suspect it was from an evil genius with a pathological hatred of judges.
But if 13 is 0, what's the difference?
The scoresheet says:
Outstanding (45-50) World-class example of style
Excellent (38-44) exemplifies style well, requires minor fine-tuning
Very Good (30-37) Generally within style parameters, some minor flaws
Good (21-29) Misses the mark on style and/or minor flaws
Fair (14-20) Off flavors, aromas or major style deficiencies
Problematic (0-13) Major off flavors and aromas dominate
Depends on what you call drinkable. I draw the line about 30.
Yooper said:I've judged beers that I've enjoyed that scored as low as 27. Most of the time, the beer was pretty good tasting but wasn't a good example of the style entered. For example, if someone entered an oatmeal stout as a schwartzbier, the beer could taste really great and be really a nice beer- but it'll score pretty low due to not hitting the style guidelines.
A beer I can not drink at all is usually due to infection or off-flavors, and not a "good" beer in that scoring sheet. That means a score of 13-20 or so is a pretty bad beer all around due to those off-flavors.
With my complete lack of judging experience, but having some good discussions with different judges at club night and other places. I am also thinking that the drink vs. pour is around a 21.
I asked because I was reading some rules for a comp that had a disclaimer that they would try to protect judges from having to put bad beers in their mouth!
It might be fun to try to score a zero.
Hopper5000 said:I am no beer judge but I have talked with quite a few at this point. I think a lot of beers don't get above 45's because judges can feel a bit timid about really liking a beer that much (especially if they aren't as experienced as some). I know one master judge who goes by the philosophy that every beer is a 50 until you open and taste it. I like that mentality personally. From what I gather if your beer gets over a 30 you did a good job. It is important to remember that the beer is getting compared to the other beers that were entered in that competition, thus, if your beer wasn't really that good but epically better than all the other ones in the category then you will probably do a lot better. Judging can be somewhat subjective IMHO.
I know one master judge who goes by the philosophy that every beer is a 50 until you open and taste it. I like that mentality personally.
I like this too. In my youth, for the fun of it, we used to go into a restaurant and plan on giving the waitress a 25% tip. We'd track on a napkin +%'s and -%'s for things they did well and poorly. They usually ended up around 20%.
I've judged beers that I've enjoyed that scored as low as 27. Most of the time, the beer was pretty good tasting but wasn't a good example of the style entered. For example, if someone entered an oatmeal stout as a schwartzbier, the beer could taste really great and be really a nice beer- but it'll score pretty low due to not hitting the style guidelines.
A beer I can not drink at all is usually due to infection or off-flavors, and not a "good" beer in that scoring sheet. That means a score of 13-20 or so is a pretty bad beer all around due to those off-flavors.
In most competitions that I have participated in and judged, probably 60% - 75% of the beers score below a 30. Most of those are in the low 20 to high teens. Maybe other judge's experiences have been different, but most entries seem to be looking for constructive feedback and are aware, or I hope so, of flaws with their entries and are looking to improve them. Giving someone a score below 13, which is commonly known to be the lowest, is just insulting. But that's my opinion.
I am hoping to spend some time learning more about judging. It seems that homebrewing is far out pacing qualifying judges.
My club has 1 BJCP judge. That's just not right.
As a newly appointed VP, this is something I would like to work on as a club. What are some good ways to gently push people to get involved?
I saw a 7 once, and a 48.
I had one that should have been negative 13. It shot out of the bottle soaking the ceiling panel ten feet above the table. Unfortunately there was enough of the vile liquid left to taste. It was a putrid vegetal butter corn cardboard band-aid. We had to take a break. The adjacent judges changed tables to get away from the smell.
I suspect it was from an evil genius with a pathological hatred of judges.
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