From Dextrose (1Kg) to LME or DME? And other "lager" question

[MastroBirraio]

Hi,

i have a question regarding the right proportion to substitute the Dextrose Sugar with DME or LME.

Some people tell me that:

1 Kg of sugar/dextrose = 1,2 Kg of DME and = 1,6 Kg of LME

This is the right proportion or not?

If i want to realize a Lager beer kit with 1,5 Kg of Premium Muntons Lager + 1,6 Kg of Extra Light Muntons Extract + Mangrove Jack M54 California Lager... it's a good idea or there are better solution?

Sadly i can't ferment at lager temperature and i need to use M54 yeast or the Safale US05 yeast (what do you suggest to obtain a beer more similar to lager?) - i light sweet beer and a lot of ale beer are too much bitter.

Thanks a lot

 

[Miraculix]

Hi,

i have a question regarding the right proportion to substitute the Dextrose Sugar with DME or LME.

Some people tell me that:

1 Kg of sugar/dextrose = 1,2 Kg of DME and = 1,6 Kg of LME

This is the right proportion or not?

If i want to realize a Lager beer kit with 1,5 Kg of Premium Muntons Lager + 1,6 Kg of Extra Light Muntons Extract + Mangrove Jack M54 California Lager... it's a good idea or there are better solution?

Sadly i can't ferment at lager temperature and i need to use M54 yeast or the Safale US05 yeast (what do you suggest to obtain a beer more similar to lager?) - i light sweet beer and a lot of ale beer are too much bitter.

Thanks a lot

M54 won't just be similar to a lager, it will be a lager. This yeast is designed to brew lagers at room temperature, I often used it and it really gets the job done. It is my favourite lager yeast.

The conversion factor seems about right.

 

[dmtaylor]

I agree with @Miraculix. Use the M54, it should turn out really good. Just a slight tweak on the conversion, I think it is a little closer to this:

1 Kg of sugar/dextrose = 1,35 Kg of DME and = 1,6 Kg of LME

 

[IslandLizard]

1 Kg of sugar/dextrose = 1,35 Kg of DME and = 1,6 Kg of LME

Am I missing something?
Sugar (either Dextrose or Sucrose) has an extract potential of 1.046, Light DME 1.044 - 1.045. Shouldn't they be interchangeable pretty much 1:1 (give or take 2-4%)?

 

[dmtaylor]

Am I missing something?
Sugar (either Dextrose or Sucrose) has an extract potential of 1.046, Light DME 1.044 - 1.045. Shouldn't they be interchangeable pretty much 1:1 (give or take 2-4%)?

Yes, BUT, if the purpose of the sugar originally was to add a percent of alcohol to the finished beer, well, extract is only about 75% fermentable at best, so you need to divide by 0.75 (or pick a number). That's where I think we were going with it.

 

[IslandLizard]

Yes, BUT, if the purpose of the sugar originally was to add a percent of alcohol to the finished beer, well, extract is only about 75% fermentable at best, so you need to divide by 0.75 (or pick a number). That's where I think we were going with it.

Yes, of course, I had missed that detail.

 

[Steveruch]

Yes, BUT, if the purpose of the sugar originally was to add a percent of alcohol to the finished beer, well, extract is only about 75% fermentable at best, so you need to divide by 0.75 (or pick a number). That's where I think we were going with it.

I just did a two gallon brown ale with nottingham that went from 1.050 to 1.007: 86%.

 

[MastroBirraio]

In conclusion:

1000 gr of sugar = 1,6 Kg of liquid malt

Confirm?

 

[dmtaylor]

You'll get the same alcohol from 1 kg sugar as 1,6 kg LME.

 

[IslandLizard]

You'll get the same alcohol from 1 kg sugar as 1,6 kg LME.

Yeah, give or take, depending on your yeast.