I had a recipe idea for a white stout but I don't know how to get those stout flavors without the roasted grains. I going to start with a very simple pale ale recipe and then add the stout flavors through other means. It just going to be pale malt and a bit of carafoam, a touch of cascade at 60 but no thing else in the boil till after the boil. Going to do a hop stand with mosaic and dry hop with mosaic and a bit of citra. The idea behind this is to make a beer that has coffee notes with notes of berry. I love coffee from Africa because they tend to have that citrus and berry flavor notes in the finished product that is the inspiration to this beer.