Am I missing the part where a 27 is a bad score? IMO really bad scores start at like 22-23, where you're in technical flaw territory. Most of the beers that I've had score in the 26 - 30 range were good beers that were a little bit off style/had very minor flaws but were overall reviewed as "good beers". I had one beer that had some sort of infection issue that scored an average 19.5...that was a bad score.
In a competition yesterday I got a 45 from one judge and a 25 from another.
Same beer judged at the same time? Then that's a big issue as the judges are expected to be within a few points of each other.
MC
I've only entered one beer competition and never judged, but I have done many panels and seen the results from many panels for consumer products and I don't understand why the judges in beer competitions get to talk to each other. In the panels I've done, there is no talking allowed. You don't want anyone to influence anyone else's score. I don't see why beer judging would be any different.Yeah judges should adjust to be w/in 5 points, that competition needs more supervision!
I've only entered one beer competition and never judged, but I have done many panels and seen the results from many panels for consumer products and I don't understand why the judges in beer competitions get to talk to each other. In the panels I've done, there is no talking allowed. You don't want anyone to influence anyone else's score. I don't see why beer judging would be any different.
I've only entered one beer competition and never judged, but I have done many panels and seen the results from many panels for consumer products and I don't understand why the judges in beer competitions get to talk to each other. In the panels I've done, there is no talking allowed. You don't want anyone to influence anyone else's score. I don't see why beer judging would be any different.
In any BJCP comp I've ever judged, you don't talk to each other during scoring for those very reasons you mentioned. After we are each done we will confer with each other, usually just checking scoring, to make sure we are in the same range. If scoring widely differs, only then will we talk it out to see if someone else is picking up something that others might have missed.
I guess I can see what you are saying, but it's human nature that we don't want to be different or stand out (in general). I can see one judge not detecting any off flavors and the other judge (the one with the more forceful personality) saying they detect it and then suddenly the other judge tastes it to, not wanting to be different. I've seen it in a focus groups before.
I know it wouldn't happen, but if I were setting up beer judging, I'd have more judges all judging blind and alone. That way you can see if it's just one judge picking up something that isn't really there.
You can still do it, just don't change the score. Or make it so there score doesn't count.Discussing and debating is how novice judges learn.
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