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Nagorg said:
Yeah... Those distros never change their Desktop Environments... :rolleyes: Guess your a KDE person?
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You could say that. I haven't used any in several years though. I mostly use a laptop and for some reason the dual boot isn't as friendly.
 
I try to embrace the new interfaces as I don't want to be that guy yelling at clouds every time something changes. That included the Start Screen and Gnome 3, neither of which I prefer. I'm using the dock-styled start bar on Win 11 right now to see if I can get used to it. Never liked it on OSX either, so chances are slim.
 
Sure, changes to the GUI matter, but I use a computer for the application software, so I try not to fret overly about how the GUI looks. Fooling around with wallpaper, icons, whatnot can be amusing (or frustrating) but its really about the apps.

When MS effectively replaced the menu bar with the ribbon, that was a meaningful (meaningfully painful) app UI change!
 
day_trippr said:
I'll be chased off of W10P by lack of security updates when that happens.

Two roads I could follow: there are hacks that allow upgrades to W11P while not conforming to the TPMS * SecureBoot * Whatever Other Stuff On Their List; or build a new machine. I'm inclined to go the latter route, just need to get around to the build. What has been holding me back for some time is the chaos in the graphics card marketplace.

Meanwhile I keep seeing stuff about W11 being a basket case fraught with potential irrecoverable loss of OS integrity...

Cheers!
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Some while back, a year or more, I used the workarounds to put W11 on a few older i5-4xxx Dell Optiplex SFF boxes (my favorite "dime a dozen" general duty PC) that don't meet one or more of the requirements. All have been and still are working fine; at least as good as before, maybe even better.
 
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updates to some things I mentioned back in 2021

BrewnWKopperKat said:
For most of my "at home" calculation / digital communication needs, a hypothetical next generation Raspberry PI may be the "sweet spot".
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Pi 5 has been released, so it's almost time to look at it (and the alternatives). With winter approaching, it's time to put a light weight Linux distro on an older laptop.

BrewnWKopperKat said:
As of today, Windows 10 gets update for roughly 4 [at that time] more years (support ends mid-Oct 2025 ). Plenty of time to investigate alternatives. So, for me, at home, no reason to buy new hardware for the next two or three years.
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"Retirement date" is still Oct 2025. 100s of days left to procrastinate investigating alternatives for my next primary computer.
 
BrewnWKopperKat said:
100s of days left
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My Windows 10 laptop only serves as a home theater PC. I expect I'll install Ubuntu on it when Win10 “dies." The increase in MS overreach makes me eager to finally say goodbye to Windows.

In contrast, I'm not feeling ready to replace Android with a Linux phone, and must therefore accept some Google in my life even though I avoid their apps (browsing, messages, search).

As if these efforts really protects me from the surveillance government-industrial complex <sigh>.

Happy Computing!
 
BeOS. That one had promise.

Been using Win11 for a while now. No problems with it. Biggest issue will be (or is) privacy...

Now let's get some native 128/256 bit data types. Not sure of base register sizes on Intel/AMD architecture anymore.. al, ax, eax, rax, etc...
 
sibelman said:
My Windows 10 laptop only serves as a home theater PC. I expect I'll install Ubuntu on it when Win10 “dies." The increase in MS overreach makes me eager to finally say goodbye to Windows.

In contrast, I'm not feeling ready to replace Android with a Linux phone, and must therefore accept some Google in my life even though I avoid their apps (browsing, messages, search).

As if these efforts really protects me from the surveillance government-industrial complex <sigh>.

Happy Computing!
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Oof, you paranoid guys are pretty funny. As if you could avoid it haha.
 
sibelman said:
My Windows 10 laptop only serves as a home theater PC. I expect I'll install Ubuntu on it when Win10 “dies."
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Most of what I currently do with my laptop (Windows 10) could be done with WiFi disabled. The other activities require a web browser.

For me, in the 2021 - 2025(?) time frame, the interesting things in computer related technology are either tiny SOC devices or ARM/GPU systems.
 
sibelman said:
BrewnWKopperKat said:
SOC devices or ARM/GPU systems
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... and maybe you can run Win 11 on ARM
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There are a handful of non-Intel hardware architectures that Windows used to run on.

Windows 10/11 on ARM may have "staying power" - perhaps because ARM appears to have "staying power" with or without Windows 10/11/next.

But for me, the idea of Windows on ARM probably will not be on my "let's take a look at it" list over the next 2-4 years.
 
BrewnWKopperKat said:
Windows on ARM probably will not be on my "let's take a look at it" list
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For fun, I looked at Dell and learned I could buy a Qualcomm Snapdragon-powered Win11 Inspiron 14 (fanless, 3.18 lbs., 1920x1080, 8MB) for $300 today. I don't want it, though it could make a fine machine if Ubuntu runs on it 😉
 
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https://www.pcworld.com/article/2344411/windows-11-recall-ai-feature-privacy-nightmare.html
 
balrog said:
Great Googly Moogly
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What would Frank Zappa (or Nanook of the North) have to say about MS "spyware"? I think you've nailed it, @balrog .

One presumes that, as with web browsing history, there will be a "clear" function. (this operation cannot be reversed). After all, they say, "You are in control with Recall."
 
My desktop is what I use mostly, for work and for play, and it's still on Windows 10, though I have been meaning to upgrade it for some time now. Windows 11 isn't a huge change from 10, and I have no problem with it. I bought an Acer Nitro 7 gaming laptop to use for work, we have a BYOD program, and it came with 11 home, I reinstalled 10 pro on it, and it will be upgraded soon as well.

My main issue with Windows 11, is the TPM requirements. Any modern motherboard will have them, but I have a Dell R710 server that I use for all my VMs for programming, print server, DHCP, game servers, file server etc etc, and I have to do a ton of registry edits to get 11 to install since the R710 does not support virtual TPMs. I am not willing to pay for Windows Server licenses. I guess I could replace the ole girl but it just keeps going.........and going. Here is a pic of my humble server rack, it's not the prettiest but it gets the job done. It has several Win 11 VMs on it, along with Mint, Ubuntu, 10, Open BSD and CentOS.
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The way MS has binded "Recall" to Qualcomm's SnapdragonX SOCs for their NPUs is curious considering there are GPUs that sport an order of magnitude higher TOPs. Perhaps they just picked the easiest to implement for the initial release, because - for example - the NVIDIA RTX 4090 that companies are still spending stupid money on for AI and was banned for sale to the PRC has at least 10x more hardware available to inference engines in the form of Tensor cores...

Cheers!
 
day_trippr said:
The way MS has binded "Recall" to Qualcomm's SnapdragonX SOCs for their NPUs is curious considering there are GPUs that sport an order of magnitude higher TOPs. Perhaps they just picked the easiest to implement for the initial release, because - for example - the NVIDIA RTX 4090 that companies are still spending stupid money on for AI and was banned for sale to the PRC has at least 10x more hardware available to inference engines in the form of Tensor cores...

Cheers!
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Seeing as how I work in tech, I feel like I should "get" what MS is driving at here. It really just seems like an ARM based PC. There's obviously going to be compatibility problems as the vast majority of applications for windows are not compiled for ARM. Does the average user need/want this AI feature?
 
balrog said:
Good lord that’s a mouthful of acronymic grape nuts to chew through, @day_trippr !
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Sounds like he's saying that there should be a new SOP ASAP for BYOD for new AI in the latest KB in the MS OS to make the GUI and UX faster without risking OOM from the EEPROM or crashing the NVMe, IDK.
 
estricklin said:
Seeing as how I work in tech, I feel like I should "get" what MS is driving at here. It really just seems like an ARM based PC. There's obviously going to be compatibility problems as the vast majority of applications for windows are not compiled for ARM. Does the average user need/want this AI feature?
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No serious PC is gonna run on ARM any time soon. I'd guess that MS compiling for ARM architecture is another failed attempt to get into mobile/?? space.

MS is so dumb. There is no reason they couldn't have made it big in phone OS, but they are just dang bad at business.

HOWEVER, regardless the odd stuff popping up in my task bar with new releases, I love it on the desktop.
 
I wouldn't be quite so quick to dismiss the evolution of ARM architecture at this point. There is a fairly decent threat to Intel's traditional CISC designs and marketing thereof that could gain momentum with Microsoft's encouragement...

Cheers!
 
day_trippr said:
I wouldn't be quite so quick to dismiss the evolution of ARM architecture at this point. There is a fairly decent threat to Intel's traditional CISC designs and marketing thereof that could gain momentum with Microsoft's encouragement...

Cheers!
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In my world, ARM is king. I'm a designer of things, and almost all of my things are ARM M0 - M4. But for the desktop, Intel/AMD are so far advanced. I don't game, but I build a new PC ever few years and it's incredible what I'm running right now. Not ARM territory.
 
Also, fwiw, I do game, and just recently built a 14900K with 64GB of DDR5 6000, an RTX 4090 24GB OC, and three 2TB M.2 NVME drives, all driving 3 matched 27" 1440P screens running up to 165hz with Gsync. The rig screams through everything with aplomb at max settings with crazy FPS up in the 250+ range.

BUT that's all just this particular point in time, and there's a decent argument that the AMD flagship is faster in gaming (though slower in "productivity apps"), but I'm more comfortable with Intel as a big chunk of my design career was based on their tendencies.

Meanwhile, I would definitely not dismiss what's going on in the ARM camp - especially if Nvidia decides to get into the desktop...

Cheers!
 
passedpawn said:
No serious PC is gonna run on ARM any time soon.
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"Serious" is a somewhat flexible term.

The fact that MS now includes Arm64 in the Windows big tent confirms that "serious" computing is already possible with Arm -- even though not the blistering performance of high end x86-64 Intel and AMD machines (or Apple M[0-9] silicon). Surprisingly, my cute little RPI4 functions acceptably as a home theater PC, given my modest needs. Sure, my home-built fanless Core™ i7 Ubuntu box runs rings 'round it, but I suspect the RPI5 would meet most of my (also modest) desktop needs. So if "serious" means practical ordinary end-user computing, Arm is already there.

That's not "serious" by gaming standards. But it certainly suggests that Arm capabilities are moving up at a good pace.
 

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