我喜歡我的新加熱元件I roll my eyes at that stuff, I just roll my eyes harder when guys are learning chinese to save $3 on a heating element. (a fabrication, but I could see it happening with some people)
我喜歡我的新加熱元件I roll my eyes at that stuff, I just roll my eyes harder when guys are learning chinese to save $3 on a heating element. (a fabrication, but I could see it happening with some people)
我喜歡我的新加熱元件
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Amen to that brotherIdk, I feel like calling anybody with a hobby “cheap” is kind of oxymoronic. A hobby is something that you spend your time and money on for your own gratification and nothing more.
Of course, there are some people who comment on ways to cut costs and do things cheaper but I look at those as those things as innovative and creative not cheap. I guess it’s a perspective thing. Also, I love a great bargain.
It's true that, even if you can brew cheaply, you could probably get beer even more cheaply by buying American macrobrew.
But it's also true that, even if you can brew beer well, you can probably buy better beer than you can make. So on neither front are you at any absolute advantage homebrewing.
Here's why I'm cheap: I like the idea that I can produce any sort of beer I want, whenever I want, at a low marginal cost. It's the same reason people buy swimming pools for their backyard. Given how much most people actually swim, it's probably cheaper in absolute terms to get a membership at the local Y or use the municipal pool. Their pools are also probably better than whatever hole you're going to dig in your yard. But some people really like the idea of being able to go swimming whenever they feel like it for zero cost. Personally, I don't, but I get the idea.
Not everyone's cheap because they want to maximize their absolute consumption potential. Some people are cheap to maximize their freedom, i.e., minimize the cost for them to do what they feel like doing. If you think about the costs of owning tools, and the value of your time, learning how to fix things around your house probably also doesn't pay off. You wouldn't expect it to, because of the division of labor: a trained plumber is so much better than you are at fixing a leaky faucet that your time is probably better spent either enjoying yourself or working longer hours. But people do DIY fix-it stuff because they want to be self-sufficient. They don't want to wait around for someone else to fix it. They don't want to think of their relationship to their home as one of managing a bunch of contract repair persons. Not for everyone, obviously, but the ethos seems perfectly intelligible to me. Homo faber ain't homo economicus--they're different outlooks.
do you people actually enjoy living like that?
the rich grandpa story seems sad to me. what is the point of having money if not to enjoy it? seriously. why would you wanna amass a pile of money and never enjoy it?
money on it's own is just paper or numbers on a screen.
when i go out with friends to a bar or out for breakfast i'm more inclined to buy breakfast or grab a round of beers for us without asking. my friends are the sme way. no bickering. no obsessing about deals or stingy cheap bs. we tip well and enjoy being out.
i simply cannot imagine enjoying life while being a cheapskate about everything. it sounds like suffering to me.
you got me wrong.
i do not think you have to or even should spend a ton on equipment or ingredients.
i do not think you need super fancy fermenters.
i like looking at other people's setups and recipes from the simple to the insane overkill.
my gripe is about people who seem to be obsessed with "deals" over anything else in the hobby. it's pervasive in most sections of the forum and i, personally, find it tiring to read through.
no matter how much money one has, cost will always of course be at least a consideration. for some it's everything and it irks me.
He's from New Jersey, where a bagel costs $5, there are tolls everywhere you drive and people blow money on Rutgers and Giants football season tickets. So he doesn't understand why everyone doesn't have a brewing rig that cost $3500.So, after seventy-something posts, and next-to-no participation from the original poster, I think it's safe to say, TROLL.
Oh boy, here we go.He's from New Jersey, where a bagel costs $5, there are tolls everywhere you drive and people blow money on Rutgers and Giants football season tickets. So he doesn't understand why everyone doesn't have a brewing rig that cost $3500.
East coast rivalry/ jealousy?He's from New Jersey, where a bagel costs $5, there are tolls everywhere you drive and people blow money on Rutgers and Giants football season tickets. So he doesn't understand why everyone doesn't have a brewing rig that cost $3500.
Oh man the bagels are soooooo good though. I grew up in NJ but have spent half my life in Massachusetts. I've never stopped searching for good bagels up here (and pizza). There's some that are ok but everytime I head back to NJ I load up on bagels and Taylor Ham to bring home.He's from New Jersey, where a bagel costs $5, there are tolls everywhere you drive and people blow money on Rutgers and Giants football season tickets. So he doesn't understand why everyone doesn't have a brewing rig that cost $3500.
I'm so cheap, i just spent $200 so I can do my own RO in batches. No more running to Ralphs with all my quarters.
I think most people that describe themselves as "frugal" are actually just plain old cheap. Stingy.
I don't think it's a virtue either.
This is kinda what I'm getting at.I can kind of see what the OP is talking about. There are people that spend $5 in gas to get to the station that sells the gas $.02 a gallon cheaper. That's called penny wise/pound foolish. It's not always that easy to spot though and the people I think are generally getting ragged on here are the ones that are nearly blind to the cost of saving so much money. It gets even trickier when the person who does this sort of thing actually gets gratification from it, i.e. that saving money is another hobby in and of itself. I get that. I have a couple friends who are like competitive couponers that get a cart full of stuff for nothing. We won't get into the fact that half that crap expires and gets thrown out.
As a retail store owner, the small portion of this discussion that annoys me the most are people who value saving money in the short term at a greater later expense. This is realized in two ways. Buying from budget retailers like Walmart and Amazon when it is almost guaranteed that they are trying to corner the market. The other is buying the cheapest thing that will need to be upgraded soon enough.
anymore I dont see some decisions as 10 dollars saved, I see it as 10 dollars thrown away. i.e. keystone light. You bet, way cheaper then weldwerks juicy bits. The only problem is, I dont want to drink keystone light so its 10 in the trash. I buy l' occitane shave cream. Its near 30 dollars a tube. Someone might think its expensive, extravagant, maybe even wasteful. On closer inspection the stuff is so well made and requires such a little amount that one tube lasts me 2 years. Now couple that with the fact that it is some of the best stuff made within reason and the lens changes. 10 dollars saved is 10 dollars wasted if the shave cream makes me break out.Right on!! I feel the same way, I have 3 kids and a stay at home wife which has made life super easy because we dont have to worry about who stays home with sick kids, driving kids around to school, practices, friends, whatever, but anyway money is at a premium in our house and "$10 bucks saved is $10 bucks saved" an can that can add up when your in a hobby that always seems to "need" upgraded equipment
You and the 8 dollar beer. We know, you have told us. I like you a lot. You and I have plenty in common, but lets be clear, how much work do you put into malting, etc..How good is the grain? I am using golden promise now, stick a big handful of simpson gp in your mouth then your grain, same?damn, got you beat! being i brew for $8 a 10 gal batch, only spend about $12 a week on groceries...i donated $100 to the local college scholarship fund, and got nothing for it! lol
You and the 8 dollar beer. We know, you have told us. I like you a lot. You and I have plenty in common, but lets be clear, how much work do you put into malting, etc..How good is the grain? I am using golden promise now, stick a big handful of simpson gp in your mouth then your grain, same?
Look I get malteurop for .70 cents a pound. So 10 pound batch 7 in grain, 2 for bulk hops and 5 for yeast. Thats 14 dollars for a basic batch. I understand that for your budget this is necessary, but for most, malting the grain, and feed grain etc, isnt worth 10 dollars. I work my a.. off every day and only drink one or two beers, so 10 dollars savings on 50 beers just iant worth it for me.
It’s the calculating type who sees flaws in inefficiency or simply wants to understand how it works and gets drawn in.
People like that typically hate waste and inefficiency.
Right on!! I feel the same way, I have 3 kids and a stay at home wife which has made life super easy because we dont have to worry about who stays home with sick kids, driving kids around to school, practices, friends, whatever, but anyway money is at a premium in our house and "$10 bucks saved is $10 bucks saved" an can that can add up when your in a hobby that always seems to "need" upgraded equipment
Back in the 90's I was selling over $30,000/year of collectibles on eBay and I cringed every time an auction ended and the buyer ended up being from NJ. Every single negative feedback I got was from NJ, and those were all because they claimed my item arrived broken, wanted a refund, but wouldn't ship back the item or even take a picture. I feel sorry for all the honest people in NJ who have to deal with all the con artists on a daily basis. eBay has a checkbox to not sell internationally but I would love a checkbox not to sell to NJ!And yeah, nj blows for the most part.
You should buy the forum a round to class the place up a bit.It should be daid my cheap friend is the first to buy a round. Class and cheap are different, no? I could class up a bit.
You should buy the forum a round to class the place up a bit.
I didn't do the mispelling and the post wasn't addressed to you lmfao[emoji23]. How many you had, hiccup??[emoji23][emoji23]i'm tryin too! out of my 10 gal batch and shipping, i could try and send a recapped soda bottle to every regular! (and daid ain't a word! lol you sure you only drink 'two' beers a day?)
I also always look at the time spent argument the same way. For me personally if I wasn't brewing that day I would literally be sitting on the couch watching tv so I can't count that labour into the costs. Now if I took a day off work to brew or missing your kids soccer or whatever that's a different story. CheersI like seeing the deals and DIY that people do. It gives me ideas where I can save some money so that I can brew more beer.
I am at the point (at least temporarily) where I don't need any equipment, so I DO same money homebrewing. I have long since paid off my equipment by not buying beer.
If you would not be getting paid during the time spent brewing (day off - weekend) your time is worth exactly $0
I still buy some commercial beer - research. I also drink a lot more beer than I did before taking up homebrewing. But I drink less soda so I am probably saving money there.....
Homebrewing is only as expensive as you make it. Keep your equipment purchases under control. Do you really need the latest bling?? Buy in bulk, reuse yeast etc.
I didn't do the mispelling and the post wasn't addressed to you lmfao[emoji23]. How many you had, hiccup??[emoji23][emoji23]
Dang! I'm irregular. Guess I'm sol.i'm tryin too! out of my 10 gal batch and shipping, i could try and send a recapped soda bottle to every regular! (and daid ain't a word! lol you sure you only drink 'two' beers a day?)
bet yo a.. seeing how this is the cheap thread how bout key lights all around. 30 stone ought to do it.You should buy the forum a round to class the place up a bit.
Dang! I'm irregular. Guess I'm sol.
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