rhythmsteve
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Looking for some Plinys, can't get them on the East Coast, help me out please
I can't get them here on the west coast, either.
Western PA, I got people that monthly make a trip up to VT for HT, I'll let you know if we can trade up. I never had a Pliny, desperately want to, and will pay what's needed. I also want to try and culture their yeast to make in IPAs, I cultured Headys and all I need now is Plinys
I don't understand why these brewers don't want more people to be able to drink their beers. In fact, I believe they purposely make it as difficult as possible to get them. I told this to John Kimmich when I took the a heady tour 2 years ago, and his response "sorry you think it's a bummer".... I don't think it's a bummer I just love your beer and wish more people could drink it
I thought the same but learned RR used to use 001 but now use their own variety for Pliny
Even if that is the case, pliny is not bottle conditioned.
If there was nothing amazing about it it wouldn't win best beer in America 6 years in a row. You're certainly welcome to your opinion of course. But it comes across as sour grapes.
It's an interesting debate though, the idea of marketing through hype. Surly does that here in MN as well. It can drive me crazy. But the flip side of it is that breweries don't owe anyone a damned thing. They can make as much or as little beer as they please (or as their system allows) And you don't have to buy it. Or you could choose to line up the night before a release to get 6 bottles before they sell out.
But I do think that as a general rule most Brewers WANT to make as much beer as possible, but there are limits to making a QUALITY product. A few mediocre batches of Pliny ruins its reputation.
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Correct, Pliny is not bottle conditioned. It's made to be released ASAP to get that fresh hoppyness it is famous for.
But the op's intent is to cultivate the yeast. Which is possible.
OK then, riddle me this. If it is the "best beer in America" Why is it that most of America can't get it? I am guessing that a lot of those votes for best beer in America were by people that are just buying into the hype and haven't even tried it.
It is not even the best beer Russian River bottles. That would go to Consecration. (In my opinion)
IMHO Blind Pig is WAY better than Pliny.
I have talked with MANY MANY MANY people that agree with me (blind pig better than pliny)
I don't understand this whole " you have to come here to get our beer"... Dogfish and Stone don't have to do that stuff and I highly respect their business practices and products. Same with Hill Farmstead.... I went up there this year to get some brews from Alchemist and HF, an you can only buy 4 at a time, drive for hours to find other places to buy it, it's really a hassle, and despite what you may here the VT locals do not appreciate us beer geeks running around their state. I dot get it, you don't have to sell out or anything, just let the people drink your product. I asked Kimmich if I could buy a keg of HT, said I'd pay whatever and he looked at me and reacted like I was saying the moon was made if cheese. I'm sorry man, my friends in western PA ( where your from John) need to try this beer
I don't understand this whole " you have to come here to get our beer"... Dogfish and Stone don't have to do that stuff and I highly respect their business practices and products. Same with Hill Farmstead.... I went up there this year to get some brews from Alchemist and HF, an you can only buy 4 at a time, drive for hours to find other places to buy it, it's really a hassle, and despite what you may here the VT locals do not appreciate us beer geeks running around their state. I dot get it, you don't have to sell out or anything, just let the people drink your product. I asked Kimmich if I could buy a keg of HT, said I'd pay whatever and he looked at me and reacted like I was saying the moon was made if cheese. I'm sorry man, my friends in western PA ( where your from John) need to try this beer
I don't understand why these brewers don't want more people to be able to drink their beers. In fact, I believe they purposely make it as difficult as possible to get them.
I saw an article (forget where) that as Russian River is undergoing some upgrades, they are contracting Firestone Brewing of Paso Robles, CA to brew Pliny for them. This may account for it being MORE difficult to find than normal. :
If you don't appreciate their business practices... Stop buying their beer. Go buy stuff you can get everywhere else and support the breweries who cater to folks like you who "deserve" to buy whatever beer they want wherever they want.
It seems rather simple to me. Not sure why you feel like you have a right to buy wherever product you want to and it must be available in your own back yard. That's simply not how this economy works.
I'm not clear on why people think it's so simple for breweries to simply make more beer, and to ship it anywhere in the world they want to. Life isn't made up with magic wands. There are capacity issues, quality control issues, distribution laws, hop contracts,... The list goes on. I'm not even a professional brewer so I don't know half the crap they need to deal with.
A guy wants to make the best ipa in the world and could give two ****s about making enough for the whole world to drink because he knows the quality of the product will suffer. Be glad that a craftsman like him still exists and count yourself lucky if you get to try his beer. If you don't like standing in lines or driving for hours, then go drink someone else's beer.
Rant over.
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So, are you saying that Stone, Sierra Nevada, Lagunitas, Firestone Walker all make bad quality beers?
Can't believe I even need to respond to this, but the answer is no.
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So then the point you made is moot.
No point in continuing the conversation since you don't get the point and this thread is derailed enough.
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But that is the entire point. What if those breweries I listed had the same mind set as Russian River does?
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