Victory Headwaters Pale Ale recipe

[bguzz]

I'm generally not a huge fan of pale ales, but I had this on tap and it was outstanding. There's not much on Victory's site other than they use German malts, and lots of Citra...but a blog on their site said it wasn't a single hop brew. It has some nice body, not too bitter, but very flavorful and tasty and VERY notable hop flavor.

Any thoughts on the below recipe? I'm going to try is and see if I can get close, but thought I would look for some critique...

Type: All Grain
Batch Size: 5.00 gal
Boil Size: 5.72 gal
Boil Time: 60 min
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70%


Ingredients

Amount Item Type % or IBU
8.00 lb Pale Malt (Weyerman 2 Row) (2.0 SRM) Grain 80.00 %
0.75 lb Munich Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 7.50 %
0.50 lb Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 5.00 %
0.50 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 5.00 %
0.25 lb Gambrinus Honey Malt (25.0 SRM) Grain 2.50 %
0.25 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] (60 min) Hops 14.6 IBU
0.75 oz Citra [12.00 %] (15 min) Hops 10.7 IBU
0.75 oz Citra [12.00 %] (10 min) Hops 8.1 IBU
0.75 oz Citra [12.00 %] (5 min) Hops 6.7 IBU
0.50 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] (5 min) Hops 4.9 IBU
1.00 oz Citra [12.00 %] (0 min) Hops
1.00 oz Citra [12.00 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops
1 Pkgs American Ale (Wyeast Labs #1056) [Starter 125 ml] Yeast-Ale


Est Original Gravity: 1.050 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.012
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 4.99 %
Bitterness: 44.9 IBU
Est Color: 8.3 SRM
Mash Temp: 151 F

 

[bguzz]

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[NHMikeT]

I'm sure you've done this by now, but just for the hell of it (I love Headwaters PA):

I brewed a Citra APA trying to come close as one of my first batches. However, it was an extract batch a few months ago. I'd say your grain bill looks good, maybe even sub some more Munich/Vienna for the 2row - Victory uses a lot of German malts. I used 6.5# Golden Light DME and 0.5# each of C-20/C-40 steeped. Here was the hop schedule I used:

0.5 oz Centennial - 60mins
0.25 oz Centennial - 15mins
1 oz Centennial - 5mins
1 oz Citra - 5mins
0.25 oz Centennial - 1min
1 oz Citra -1 min
1 0z Citra - dry hop 7days

This was for 6gallon batch.

OG - 1.052
FG - 1.012
5.1%ABV
49 IBU
7.4 SRM
WY1056 w/o starter

I did side-by-side even though I wasn't *really* trying to clone it. They tasted pretty close, but the Headwaters had noticeably more aroma. How'd yours turn out? I'm brewing BIAB now and haven't brewed this one like that.

 

[Paulgs3]

Combining the two recipes that were posted I'm looking at this:

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 7.37 gal
Post Boil Volume: 6.24 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal   
Bottling Volume: 4.25 gal
Estimated OG: 1.054 SG
Estimated Color: 9.5 SRM
Estimated IBU: 41.0 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 86.4 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt                   Name                                     Type          #        %/IBU         
8 lbs                 Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM)           Grain         1        76.2 %        
1 lbs                 Munich Malt (9.0 SRM)                    Grain         2        9.5 %         
12.0 oz               Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM)    Grain         3        7.1 %         
12.0 oz               Victory Malt (25.0 SRM)                  Grain         4        7.1 %         
0.50 oz               Centennial [10.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min     Hop           5        16.6 IBUs     
0.50 oz               Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 15.0 min          Hop           6        9.9 IBUs      
0.50 oz               Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min          Hop           7        7.2 IBUs      
0.50 oz               Centennial [10.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min      Hop           8        3.3 IBUs      
0.50 oz               Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min           Hop           9        4.0 IBUs      
1.00 oz               Citra [12.00 %] - Aroma Steep 0.0 min    Hop           10       0.0 IBUs      


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 10 lbs 8.0 oz
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Name              Description                             Step Temperat Step Time     
Mash In           Add 16.32 qt of water at 161.4 F        152.0 F       60 min        

Sparge: Batch sparge with 2 steps (1.26gal, 4.09gal) of 168.0 F water
Notes:
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I find the honey malt interesting, never thought of using that. I'm wondering if I'm missing something in the grains, maybe a tad of victory. I taste roastyness when I drink headwater. Maybe cut out the honey and drop down the munich and add the victory to under 10%? I like the roast, do not taste biscuit.

I also have a feeling this might be too citrusy.

Dunno....

EDIT: ignore my crystal 40+20=60 nonsense.

 

[stryker_hass]

Recipe Type: All Grain
Yeast: wyeast 1272 WLP 060 I use S-05
Batch Size (Gallons): 5.5
Original Gravity: 1.049 (i'm getting somewhat higher numbers)
Final Gravity:
IBU: 44
Boiling Time (Minutes): 90
Color: SRM 8.8
Primary Fermentation (# of Days & Temp): 2-3 weeks
Tasting Notes:

7.5 lbs Pilsener SRM 2
1 lbs aromatic malt SRM 25
1 lbs carastan malt SRM 34
1 lb munich malt SRM 8
0.25 lb cara-pils dextrine malt


*mash at 153 F
90 Minute Boil
0.75 oz Citra 35.1 IBU 60 min
1.00 oz Centennial Hops 8.9 IBU 15min
1.00 oz Centennial Hops 0 IBU 0 min
1.25 oz Citra IBU 0 0 min

 

[Paulgs3]

Recipe Type: All Grain
Yeast: wyeast 1272 WLP 060 I use S-05
Batch Size (Gallons): 5.5
Original Gravity: 1.049 (i'm getting somewhat higher numbers)
Final Gravity:
IBU: 44
Boiling Time (Minutes): 90
Color: SRM 8.8
Primary Fermentation (# of Days & Temp): 2-3 weeks
Tasting Notes:

7.5 lbs Pilsener SRM 2
1 lbs aromatic malt SRM 25
1 lbs carastan malt SRM 34
1 lb munich malt SRM 8
0.25 lb cara-pils dextrine malt


*mash at 153 F
90 Minute Boil
0.75 oz Citra 35.1 IBU 60 min
1.00 oz Centennial Hops 8.9 IBU 15min
1.00 oz Centennial Hops 0 IBU 0 min
1.25 oz Citra IBU 0 0 min

I'm really tempted to try that just because that grain bill looks like nothing I have used before.

I'm drinking a headwater now trying to focus on the malt profile and I see your pilsener and I'm like..."wow it does have the same backbone as Prima Pils". Its like prima pills with toastiness (that is not a word?!).

 

[stryker_hass]

On the victory website, it does say "German Malts" plural like there is more than one german malt in this thing. Thus Pilsener and Munich Malts