scottland
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**See Post 42 for the results**
After lots of research, listening to interviews, and emailing the man himself, I'm brewing a PTY clone this weekend. I'm pretty confident my recipe is close. High level overview is: First I took the PTE recipe, and multiplied each hop addtion (90, 45, 30, 0) by 1.5. I've heard Vinnie say multiple times that PTE has almost exactly double the hops of their IPA, and the Younger has triple. I know PTY is supposed to be mostly about Simcoe/Amarillo, so I geared the hop additions around that. I've heard Vinnie say he likes to use Centennial as 'filler' so that's why it's there. Then I switched the 90min and most of the 45min additions over to hop extract. This was actually the difficult part; calculating the amount needed.
To make a very long story short, I ended up calcing that ~ 4oz of a 17.5% AA hop was needed to bitter this beer. That's around 70AAU. Then i calculated that the Northern Brewer hopshots (despite their crappy formula) are around 10AAU each. In other words, each 5ml syringe of hop shot is equivilent to 1oz of a 10% AA hop. So while it sounds ridiculous, I'm using 7 syringes of hop shot for the 90 minute addition.
The final piece to the puzzle was the dry hop schedule. If you listen to the 3 or 4 shows that Vinnie has been on from the Brewing Network, it's mostly there in bits and pieces. I think I found the last little bit in some old BYO article. My dry hop schedule looks almost identical to the one that's kicking around the internet, so I'm assuming they got the info from the same places.
So I ended up emailing Vinnie my proposed recipe to see if he could tell me if I was in the ball park. I wrote the grain bill as just percentages, and the hops in pound/bbl. Give the man credit, as he actually replied like 2 days later! He said he's never scaled the Younger recipe down to homebrew levels, but he said what I had looked good. One thing that struck me as odd is that he said the Younger did have 4% C40 malt in it. I'm assuming that's a relativly new addition, as I remember him saying in the past that Younger was just 2-row and carapils. So with that little tweak, here's the recipe I'm brewing.
Target OG: 1.089
Target FG: 1.008
ABV: 10.5%
IBU: ......?
16.5lbs 2-Row
12oz Carapils
12oz Crystal 40
1.33lbs Dextrose
Mash @ 148
35ml Hop Extract @ 90
5ml Hop Extract @ 45
.35oz CTZ @ 45
1.5oz Simcoe @ 30
1.5oz Centennial @ 0
1.5oz Amarillo @ 0
2.5oz Simcoe @ 0
Fermenting with 2 packs US-05 at around 65F
Dry Hop 1: .5oz ea: Amarillo, Simcoe, Centennial
Dry Hop 2: 1oz ea: Amarillo, Centenial
Dry Hop 3: 1oz ea: Simcoe, CTZ
Dry Hop 4: .5oz ea Amarillo, Simcoe
I'm going to crash the primary before I transfer to the secondary to drop as much yeast out of suspension as possible. Vinnie does mention they drop the hops before each subsequent dry hop. I don't have a conical and I don't like monkeying with bags for dry hops, so that won't happen. I'll just do each addition for 4-5 days, and leave them in there.
That's about it for now. I'll post some pictures and updates how the brew day went this weekend.
Has anyone else tried to clone this beer? Any tips or tricks?
After lots of research, listening to interviews, and emailing the man himself, I'm brewing a PTY clone this weekend. I'm pretty confident my recipe is close. High level overview is: First I took the PTE recipe, and multiplied each hop addtion (90, 45, 30, 0) by 1.5. I've heard Vinnie say multiple times that PTE has almost exactly double the hops of their IPA, and the Younger has triple. I know PTY is supposed to be mostly about Simcoe/Amarillo, so I geared the hop additions around that. I've heard Vinnie say he likes to use Centennial as 'filler' so that's why it's there. Then I switched the 90min and most of the 45min additions over to hop extract. This was actually the difficult part; calculating the amount needed.
To make a very long story short, I ended up calcing that ~ 4oz of a 17.5% AA hop was needed to bitter this beer. That's around 70AAU. Then i calculated that the Northern Brewer hopshots (despite their crappy formula) are around 10AAU each. In other words, each 5ml syringe of hop shot is equivilent to 1oz of a 10% AA hop. So while it sounds ridiculous, I'm using 7 syringes of hop shot for the 90 minute addition.
The final piece to the puzzle was the dry hop schedule. If you listen to the 3 or 4 shows that Vinnie has been on from the Brewing Network, it's mostly there in bits and pieces. I think I found the last little bit in some old BYO article. My dry hop schedule looks almost identical to the one that's kicking around the internet, so I'm assuming they got the info from the same places.
So I ended up emailing Vinnie my proposed recipe to see if he could tell me if I was in the ball park. I wrote the grain bill as just percentages, and the hops in pound/bbl. Give the man credit, as he actually replied like 2 days later! He said he's never scaled the Younger recipe down to homebrew levels, but he said what I had looked good. One thing that struck me as odd is that he said the Younger did have 4% C40 malt in it. I'm assuming that's a relativly new addition, as I remember him saying in the past that Younger was just 2-row and carapils. So with that little tweak, here's the recipe I'm brewing.
Target OG: 1.089
Target FG: 1.008
ABV: 10.5%
IBU: ......?
16.5lbs 2-Row
12oz Carapils
12oz Crystal 40
1.33lbs Dextrose
Mash @ 148
35ml Hop Extract @ 90
5ml Hop Extract @ 45
.35oz CTZ @ 45
1.5oz Simcoe @ 30
1.5oz Centennial @ 0
1.5oz Amarillo @ 0
2.5oz Simcoe @ 0
Fermenting with 2 packs US-05 at around 65F
Dry Hop 1: .5oz ea: Amarillo, Simcoe, Centennial
Dry Hop 2: 1oz ea: Amarillo, Centenial
Dry Hop 3: 1oz ea: Simcoe, CTZ
Dry Hop 4: .5oz ea Amarillo, Simcoe
I'm going to crash the primary before I transfer to the secondary to drop as much yeast out of suspension as possible. Vinnie does mention they drop the hops before each subsequent dry hop. I don't have a conical and I don't like monkeying with bags for dry hops, so that won't happen. I'll just do each addition for 4-5 days, and leave them in there.
That's about it for now. I'll post some pictures and updates how the brew day went this weekend.
Has anyone else tried to clone this beer? Any tips or tricks?