Pliny clone critique?

[ChadChaney]

Here is my Pliny recipe based in the info from Russian River, any suggestions?



Pliny Clone
Imperial IPA
Type: All Grain Date: 2/21/2012
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.75 gal Brewer: Oposition Brewing Co.
Boil Size: 8.20 gal Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 90 min Equipment: My AG Setup
End of Boil Volume 6.50 gal Brewhouse Efficiency: 63.00 %
Final Bottling Volume: 5.00 gal Est Mash Efficiency 69.1 %
Fermentation: Ale, Two Stage Taste Rating(out of 50): 30.0
Taste Notes:
Ingredients


Ingredients
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
17 lbs Pale Malt (6 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 85.0 %
1 lbs Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM) Grain 2 5.0 %
1 lbs Carapils (Briess) (1.5 SRM) Grain 3 5.0 %
1 lbs Dextrose (Briess) (1.0 SRM) Sugar 4 5.0 %
3.50 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Boil 90.0 min Hop 5 143.4 IBUs
0.75 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Boil 45.0 min Hop 6 26.4 IBUs
1.00 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] - Boil 30.0 min Hop 7 27.3 IBUs
2.50 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] - Aroma Steep 0.0 min Hop 8 0.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Centennial [10.00 %] - Aroma Steep 0.0 min Hop 9 0.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Centennial [10.00 %] - Dry Hop 12.0 Days Hop 10 0.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Dry Hop 12.0 Days Hop 11 0.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] - Dry Hop 12.0 Days Hop 12 0.0 IBUs
0.25 oz Centennial [10.00 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 13 0.0 IBUs
0.25 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 14 0.0 IBUs
0.25 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 15 0.0 IBUs

 

[KoedBrew]

You are pretty good. I have done a Pliny clone 4 times all very similar (my friends are hop heads)... 2 suggestions
1. Reduce the Carapils...I use .75 lbs for 10 gallons. If you want a Pliny you want crisp and not very sweet at all Carapils lingers and adds sweetness.

2. I think you need some Columbus at either 5 minutes or less maybe zero and reduce the simcoe you have at 0min. I think Columbus is tremendous in the 0min addition, and I like a little bit of bittering Simcoe. So maybe that .75oz you have at 45min switch that with 1 oz Simcoe?

Just my idea

 

[ChadChaney]

Ok, thanks for the advice, I will scale back the carapils, so what are you thinking, like .5lb?
As for the hop schedule, taken exactly from Vinnie's homebrew posting. I might leave the hops alone, mostly looking for grain bill help, although I like the idea of the CTZ at zero, so maybe I will split the difference and split the bittering w Simcoe and CTZ and the same for the fry hops!

 

[KuntzBrewing]

Check out this chart for hop additions

 

[KoedBrew]

Yeah a about .5lb...if you have a brewing software aim for 2.4-2.8% of Carapils, also on my last batch I added .25lb of wheat for head retention and it was't too noticeable, but a couple friends said it was a nice addition.

If you look at KuntzBrewing's chart about 6-8 minutes would be ideal for aroma. I always do a 5 minute addition on it

 

[banik]

Check out this chart for hop additions

<img src="https://www.homebrewtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=49188"/>

What's the source of this chart/info?

 

[KuntzBrewing]

http://www.brewsupplies.com/hop_characteristics.htm

Their explanation of the chart is assbackwards

 

[nofootbreak]

I know RR uses some amarillo now. Pretty sure some in the boil, definitely some dry hop. Heard this on the brewing network.

 

[urbanmyth]

http://www.brewsupplies.com/hop_characteristics.htm

Their explanation of the chart is assbackwards

The explanation isn't assbackwards, just the way they go about it. They are saying that by 20 minutes in the kettle, all the aroma is driven off, but flavor remains. Same with the bittering. After so long, even the taste is boiled off in favor of the bitterness. I think the chart would be a lot more understandable if the y-axis was mirrored.

 

[KuntzBrewing]

Oh I understand what its saying now, the way I read it was add your flavoring hops 20 minutes INTO boil, aroma 7 minutes INTO boil. Which really its 20 minutes from END of boil, but they are showing one single hop addition, after 7 min peak aroma is reached, 20 min peak flavor, 90+ peak bitterness. That's why I thought it was bassackwards

 

[wildwest450]

If you want a Pliny you want crisp and not very sweet at all Carapils lingers and adds sweetness.

Where did you come up with carapils adding lingering sweetness?

 

[mattc123]

here is a recipe for Piney the Elder provided by Vinnie Cilurzo, owner and brewmaster
at Russian River Brewing:
http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/attachments/0000/6351/doubleIPA.pdf

 

[ChadChaney]

Mattc123- thanks so much! I have a very similar document I found online, but without the exact malt amounts. Thanks again.