My Three Tier Build Project

[talleymonster]

something like a fireproof drywall?

Durock.

This is your answer. ScubaSteve used it on his sweet HERMS.


Just wear a dust mask or a respirator when you cut it. The dust contains silica, which can cause Silicosis.

 

[talleymonster]

TPChef, I saw your posts in ScubaSteve's thread.

I have worked quite a bit with Durock. It is pretty sturdy. You probably won't need and backing, depending on what your intent is for it.

Are you going to have any weight on it at all? Or is it merely to shield your tires from the heat of the burner?

 

[TerapinChef]

Nah no weight, but depending on whether I go above or below the bottom piece of square tubing, there will be about 4-6" between the bottom of the burner and the surface of the rock....

 

[TerapinChef]

Getting ready to install gas plumbing...got my plans all laid out just need to go purchase the piping. Does anybody know if the gas orifice from banjo burner is 1/4" or 3/8"? Oh well, I'll just take it to the store with me...

 

[IrregularPulse]

looking good. Do the any of the wheels lock? Wouldn't want it rolling off on ya with 5-10 gallons of wort or especially the HLT overhead.

 

[TerapinChef]

No they don't lock, but I'm not brewing anywhere that it would start rolling on me. If I ever needed to I guess I could just chock them.

 

[schweaty]

Getting ready to install gas plumbing...got my plans all laid out just need to go purchase the piping. Does anybody know if the gas orifice from banjo burner is 1/4" or 3/8"? Oh well, I'll just take it to the store with me...

Not sure but I have some of the Bayou burners like Lil' Sparky has and they take 1/8 inch black pipe. Best bet is take the burner to the hardware store and try all the different sizes until you find one that fits

 

[TerapinChef]

You haven't gone straight black pipe into your burner have you? Don't you need an orifice to inject the gas right in?
Something like this

 

[sigmund]

The supplied orifices have a flare fitting that you have to pipe in to, not a pipe fitting. The use of the copper and flare fittings gets you some amount of movement that piping directly with pipe doesn't allow.

 

[TerapinChef]

I did notice that it was a bit loose when I put it into the fitting...so if I'm looking to hold my burners up with the black pipe I should be going straight into the burner with 1/4" black pipe?

 

[slimer]

Hope you have some way to regulate how much gas you're using...

but other than that, I see no problem.

 

[schweaty]

You haven't gone straight black pipe into your burner have you? Don't you need an orifice to inject the gas right in?
Something like this

I was going to put one where the regulator connects to the black pipe and valves going into each burner. Will this not work? Do I need an orifice going directly into each burner or will one at the regulator work?

 

[sigmund]

I did notice that it was a bit loose when I put it into the fitting...so if I'm looking to hold my burners up with the black pipe I should be going straight into the burner with 1/4" black pipe?

With the burners I've seen, you need a pipe to flare adapter to hook to the burner. You can't hook directly to the burner without an orifice in the burner and have it work.

 

[TerapinChef]

Here's where I'm at. I've got all of my fittings and most of my pipe, except the odd sizes I had to have cut. They're waiting for me at the store, I just haven't had time to go get them. But as of right now I'm going...

1/2" black pipe - 1/2" x 3/8" coupling - Propane Orifice - Burner

Now I haven't taped/doped any of this up yet to test it, but that coupling-orifice fitting is loose as it is a NPT-Flare connection. Is there a 1/2" NPT x Flare fitting that I should be looking for?

 

[TommyBoy]

Here's where I'm at. I've got all of my fittings and most of my pipe, except the odd sizes I had to have cut. They're waiting for me at the store, I just haven't had time to go get them. But as of right now I'm going...

1/2" black pipe - 1/2" x 3/8" coupling - Propane Orifice - Burner

Now I haven't taped/doped any of this up yet to test it, but that coupling-orifice fitting is loose as it is a NPT-Flare connection. Is there a 1/2" NPT x Flare fitting that I should be looking for?

I originally purchased a coupler to connect my regulator to my gas pipe from Ace hardware and for some reason it would not fit. I think that the threads are slightly different. I had to purchase one from B3. They looked identical when I held them up next to each other too.

 

[TommyBoy]

Here is the one from B3:

Gas Pipe Adaptor - 1/2'' mpt x 3/8'' Male Flare | MoreBeer

 

[sigmund]

Here's where I'm at. I've got all of my fittings and most of my pipe, except the odd sizes I had to have cut. They're waiting for me at the store, I just haven't had time to go get them. But as of right now I'm going...

1/2" black pipe - 1/2" x 3/8" coupling - Propane Orifice - Burner

Now I haven't taped/doped any of this up yet to test it, but that coupling-orifice fitting is loose as it is a NPT-Flare connection. Is there a 1/2" NPT x Flare fitting that I should be looking for?

The pipe fitting they show on the orifice screws into your burner. You have to go from your 1/2" pipe to flare and then go flare to your orifice.

 

[TerapinChef]

I'm not sure I'm clear on what I'm asking. Can I replace the bold item below

1/2" black pipe - 1/2" x 3/8" coupling - Propane Orifice - Burner

with a similar coupling that takes 1/2" MPT to 3/8" Flare in black steel or should I be looking somewhere else? Is it going to be more than one fitting?

 

[kladue]

Why not use this part instead of the brass propane orifice Burner Jet - 1/8 in. x 1 in. | MoreBeer, then you could change 1/2" X 3/8" coupling to a 1/2" X 1/8" coupling to hard pipe burner. The brass flare fitting does not match with pipe theads on flare end of fitting, might save some time to get pipe threaded orifice.

 

[TerapinChef]

Why not use this part instead of the brass propane orifice Burner Jet - 1/8 in. x 1 in. | MoreBeer

This won't work because my burner is not threaded at 1/8" it's threaded at 1/4".

Now I've realized that I need to go from Flare to NPT on the input side, from my regulator as well. I think that this job may make me almost as crazy as the stirplate project.

 

[kladue]

By chance is the orifice in the flare fitting screwed in or is it just pressed in, might be able to pop orifice out of brass fitting and insert in a 1/4" nipple or fitting. Have done this with the 1/8" pipe by 1/4" flare fitting for the 4" cast burner, used a 1/4"-28 tap on the inside of a swagelok fitting to reinstall orifice for the burner. Might be worth the effort to check with the local propane supplier to see if they have burner adapter fittings that would work for your application. If all else fails you could use a 1/4" X 1/8" bushing with the 1/8" pipe orifice to fit 1/4" burner opening.

 

[TerapinChef]

Didn't think of try that, maybe I can give it a shot. I feel like many people have come across this problem, somebody must have a solution to it...

 

[sigmund]

Here ya go

Look at F-RAWO

 

[TerapinChef]

Why does everything have to be 1/8"? Why can't it just be 1/4" fittings that I find everywhere. This is going to make me loco. I'm just going to the hardware store and not leaving until it works, if I have to go in the back and make my own damn fittings.

 

[TerapinChef]

So after a terribly frustrating trip to the hardware store trying to find make my orifice go from 3/8 male flare to anything with NPT so I can thread it into my propane manifold, I have decided that such a thing doesn't exist. The guy at the hardware store said I should go soft copper. I think I'm going to order the 1/8" fitting from morebeer. As I wandered around with my orifice, I stuck it in the little "what size is your fitting" thing. The side that goes into the burner fit the 1/4" compression and flare side, but in the actual pipe side it is 1/8". What's up with that? So I think the 1/8"x1" orifice from morebeer is going to be my salvation. And cost about 1/3 of the whole job. Oh well. I just wish I didn't have these two fittings from bayouclassicdepot.com that I don't need, it's not going to be worth returning them. Now I just hope I can go 1/2" x 1/8".

 

[kladue]

Should be able to find a 1/2" pipe coupling and a 1/2" X 1/8" bushing at Lowes or Home Depot.

 

[schweaty]

If you can't find 1/8 inch black pipe and need some let me know. I found some but I had to purchase 20 feet so I have PLENTY left!

 

[Lil' Sparky]

I use those 1/8" jets from morebeer on my stand with 1/2" plumbing and they really are the way to go. HD/Lowes will have the bushing you need, and if your burner isn't 1/8", you can find a bushing for that, too. We had to do that on another stand I helped another guy build.

I did the same thing you did looking everywhere for the NPT-flare adapter fitting, and I also concluded that they just don't make it. Go figure.

I don't have a closeup of how everything fits together, but you can tell what I'm talking about in this one.



And this is the other one we did. This burner's got a larger fitting, so there's a bushing threaded into the burner. The jet threads into the bushing. Little hard to see.

 

[TerapinChef]

Thanks for the offer! I think I'm just going to buy morebeer's 4" orifice, so I can just reduce at my last 90 with a bushing and go right to the burner from there. Now I just need to figure out how to support the weight of the burners...

Lil Sparky, are you using the 1" jet and holding the burner up with that?

 

[Lil' Sparky]

Here ya go

Look at F-RAWO

Those actually look like they're better quality than the ones I got from morebeer. One was a little dorked up and I had to order a replacement.

 

[Lil' Sparky]

Thanks for the offer! I think I'm just going to buy morebeer's 4" orifice, so I can just reduce at my last 90 with a bushing and go right to the burner from there. Now I just need to figure out how to support the weight of the burners...

Lil Sparky, are you using the 1" jet and holding the burner up with that?

Yes. It's plenty strong enough to support the burner. No worries there.

 

[nathan]

I took my parts in and with the little jet orifice (which I knew fit the burner), I just searched until I found enough adapters. It's 4 parts from burner to wardflex (I ran wardflex from the main blackpipe supply). It was a pain, but I could not find a single-piece solution at Lowes or Home Depot.

 

[sigmund]

What's the purpose of hard piping into the burner rather than going from pipe to copper? It seems like an awful lot of trouble to round up the fittings for hard piping.

 

[TerapinChef]

With the hard piping I don't have to weld anything to my already painted stand. I can use the piping to support the burners rather than have someone else fabricate a bracket, grind off the paint, weld it on, repaint, and adjust the burner height. Plus it matches my stand and looks pretty badass.

I like the looks of the fitting from the cajun shoppe more than the one from Morebeer as well. I'd rather go directly to 1/4" as it will be a bit sturdier to run 90 to 1/2" to 1/2"x1/4" coupling to F-RAWOM than it would be to go 90" to 1/8" bushing to 1/8" orifice to burner. Good stuff, now I don't have to ship from CA to MI!

 

[Lil' Sparky]

Take some pics and post them whenever you get it put together. I promise you won't be the only one with this question!

 

[TerapinChef]

Oh I plan on doing a complete write up and parts list. The actual manifold was easy, my first time working with the pipe. Fittings into the burners is the tough one! This was a much longer project than I expected and added a whole 'nother page to my brewstand thread though!

 

[schweaty]

Yes, I learned alot from this thread as well. I was going to run the line directly to the burner without an orifice. Then I realized the orifice Bayou makes goes from 1/8 to 3/8 and I was planning to run 1/8" pipe. I came back to this post and found the 1/8" morebeer jet that was threaded on both sides, it srsly saved the day. So many thanks to you and your thread!

 

[TerapinChef]

Not only does that orifice go to 3/8", but it's 3/8" Flare, and I'm glad that I could help somebody out!

 

[TerapinChef]

Allright, I'm learning how to use googlesketchup so I can do a pretty picture for you guys.


*edit* Yeah I don't think so. Google Sketch 1 - Terapinchef 0
I'll just post pictures and parts list.

 

[TerapinChef]

So I'm still waiting on a few parts but here's my manifold, nearly completed, and the parts list that goes with it.

Everything here was purchased from a hardware store. I think that my current running total is somewhere around $22.00 for just the plumbing.

So here's my parts list for what you see pictured.
All pipe listed is 1/2" unless otherwise specified.

From the top left to the bottom right...

90*
1" threaded nipple
Gas shutoff valve (about $7)
42" pipe (custom cut at hardware store)
1/2"x1/2"x1/2" T
22" pipe (custom)
Gas Ball Valve
12" pipe (stock)
90*
2" pipe
90*

Also 1 roll of YELLOW GAS RATED teflon tape and a tube of pipe dope. I used both. I needed a set of channel locks and an old rag to tighten everything up, and that's about it.
*NOTE*
I have two different ball valves currently installed in my system to see if there is any difference between the $7 "shutoff" type and the $13 "ball valve" type. They both appear to have the same insides, so I thought I would check it out.

Still to come...
-I ordered a hose from THE CAJUN SHOPPE Part # Hose-S5 that I had shortened from 5' to 3' and instead of a flare fitting on the end they are going to just attach a 1/4" MPT fitting on both ends. This will go from my regulator to my manifold without too much extra.
-I also ordered orifices from the same place. (Part #F-RAWOM) I went with the male fitting on both end, 1/8"x1/4". These will go into my burner then into a reducing coupling from the main manifold.
-My two burners came from Bayouclassicdepot.com. They look like this

and cost $12.99
- I need to pick up (3) 1/2"x1/8" couplings, one for each burner and one for the propane input.
-When I have my orifices and above couplings, I will measure to see how much pipe I need to go from the 90's to the burners so they sit in the middle of my platforms.

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Aside from that, I need to mount the whole contraption to my stand, check for leaks, and I should be good to go. I'm thinking of using zip ties in the beginning. I know it's a bit trashy, but I'd like to get a feel for the whole thing before I go drilling holes in my stand. Also, does anybody know if this pipe can be painted so it matches my stand? I'm a bit concerned about it rusting as well...