My friends are very polite and say it's delish, but I know it's not right. Second straight batch with this strange smell and taste, sorta sweet -- not clean like I'm lookin for. I'm thinking low yeast pitch rate, and maybe fermentation temp off, but it was pretty cool, like 68 or so not higher than that. Ideas? Guess I'll have a big party and get rid of this stuff and start over. Sanitation was good, all numbers good. (one was all-grain kit from N. Brewer, and the other was recipe of Denny's Rye) Both drinkable, but still not "right".