Keggle as a Mash Tun - Burning the grains?

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Right now I’m currently using a cooler mash tun system to brew my all-grain beers, but I’m looking to switch to a Keggle mash tun in order to step-mash etc.

I’m wondering if I’ll run into any problems with burning my grains in a keggle mash tun with the direct heat from a propane burner?
 
Yes.
If you want to step mash I would suggest a recirculated system (HERMS, RIMS, K-RIMS) or use boiling water infusions.
With these methods it will be MUCH easier to hit target temps and there's little/no risk of scorching.

I use a RIMS and a 10 gal round cooler.
 
Yes.
If you want to step mash I would suggest a recirculated system (HERMS, RIMS, K-RIMS) or use boiling water infusions.
With these methods it will be MUCH easier to hit target temps and there's little/no risk of scorching.

I use a RIMS and a 10 gal round cooler.

You mind sending a link to a Rims system that could work with my 12 gal northern brewer cooler? I’ve heard of a HERMS system but not a RIMS

Thanks!
 
Tube + element + PID controller:
https://www.brewhardware.com/product_p/rimspackagetc.htm
I also got the tubing and fittings from BrewHardware.

I use this to return the wort. The height is readily adjustable
https://www.brewhardware.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=SpinCycleOverboard

Pump:
https://woodyshomebrew.com/products/mkii-high-temp-magnetic-drive-pump-by-keg-king
Head:
https://woodyshomebrew.com/products/stainless-steel-pump-head-for-mkii-pump-by-keg-king
(Also available from BrewHardware)

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The RIMS tube is attached to my cooler with a 2" heavy duty spring clamp and a u-bolt. Simple but effective, and I can easily move it around.

Cheers
 
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I don't use a keggle, but do mash in a kettle on direct flame. Step mashes, no problem at all hitting temperatures, never scorched a single grain. You just have to stir very gently at intervals during ramps. It is entirely hands on as opposed to a rims system, but the risk of scorching due to mash being in contact with the heat source is no greater.
 
I don't use a keggle, but do mash in a kettle on direct flame. Step mashes, no problem at all hitting temperatures, never scorched a single grain. You just have to stir very gently at intervals during ramps. It is entirely hands on as opposed to a rims system, but the risk of scorching due to mash being in contact with the heat source is no greater.
I'm glad it works for you but I don't think your experience is typical. Do you measure temperature at different locations in the mash? In my own experience and everything else I've read suggests that it's very difficult to get a uniform temperature throughout the mash with direct heat & no recirc.
 
Yes, I measure temperature at a few locations with a probe thermometer, and at the point I'm moving the goods past, to make sure I've reached an even temperature, and keep well insulated during rests. I also don't honestly worry about a tiny bit of variation across the mash as long as it's all within a degree or so, just as I don't worry about losing a degree during a rest (and that's in fact the most I do lose.) It just isn't significant in terms of having any effect on enzymes. This does rely on good insulation.

If the OP would be making a bigger commitment to new equipment by going with a keggle instead of a rims, assuming that the cooler and some kind of boil kettle already exist, that might argue for the rims. OTOH I also have a cooler with false bottom, which serves as a lauter tun, while the same kettle serves for mash and boil. I will say that I think even temperatures and avoiding scorching would be more of a challenge if the direct fired mash tun also had the equipment in the bottom to allow it to serve as a lauter tun as well, since stirring the liquid in the dead space would be very difficult if not impossible.

There are many ways to accomplish step mashing, and the choice is always a matter of preference, priorities, and some degree of compromise.
 
Tube + element + PID controller:
https://www.brewhardware.com/product_p/rimspackagetc.htm
I also got the tubing and fittings from BrewHardware.

I use this to return the wort. The height is readily adjustable
https://www.brewhardware.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=SpinCycleOverboard

Pump:
https://woodyshomebrew.com/products/mkii-high-temp-magnetic-drive-pump-by-keg-king
Head:
https://woodyshomebrew.com/products/stainless-steel-pump-head-for-mkii-pump-by-keg-king
(Also available from BrewHardware)

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The RIMS tube is attached to my cooler with a 2" heavy duty spring clamp and a u-bolt. Simple but effective, and I can easily move it around.

Cheers

I’m really digging how this whole setup works. Do you ever have to worry about the actual element making contact with the grains?
 
I’m really digging how this whole setup works. Do you ever have to worry about the actual element making contact with the grains?
I'm still new to this setup, but I have done a lot of reading.
Basically the element will never contact the grain with this setup, just the wort. Maintaining an adequately high flow prevents scorching of the wort. The element is ultra low watt density, which is considered to be pretty safe with regard to scorching.

My flow isn't a problem since I condition my grain (3-roller mill), my bazooka tube allows lots of flow, and there's no restriction since I use the 5/8" barbs and 1/2" tubing.
 
I'm still new to this setup, but I have done a lot of reading.
Basically the element will never contact the grain with this setup, just the wort. Maintaining an adequately high flow prevents scorching of the wort. The element is ultra low watt density, which is considered to be pretty safe with regard to scorching.

My flow isn't a problem since I condition my grain (3-roller mill), my bazooka tube allows lots of flow, and there's no restriction since I use the 5/8" barbs and 1/2" tubing.

Whats wrong with something like a Klarstein

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Keggles can be much cheaper.
With the heating element, a controller, a pump, a chiller, a basket/false bottom, and all the fittings including tubing, valves, and quick disconnects?

I've never heard of that brand. They have almost no details about the product on their site and no customer reviews. Sounds a little fishy to me.
 
The original posting didn't mention recirculating so the cost of the controller, pump, etc was left out. Maybe they were just going to direct heat and stir, maybe they didn't mention the associated parts.
 
The original posting didn't mention recirculating so the cost of the controller, pump, etc was left out. Maybe they were just going to direct heat and stir, maybe they didn't mention the associated parts.
After doing more research I am contemplating doing my own build for a RIMS system, rather than purchasing a pre-made system. I’m a little handy so I figure the RIMS tube shouldn’t be too hard of a build, but I still need to do research on a good element and controller to invest in (I already have a pump I can put use). Although I’m limited to finding a system that’ll run on 120V due to the output in my garage. I’ll admit I was under the impression that the RIMS system worked a little differently, but I have learned a lot!
 
Perhaps nothing but the cost. To get one the size of a keggle costs about 400 British pounds. (about $500) Keggles can be much cheaper.

An all-in-one brew system seems like it would take all the fun out brewing, and there is no room for upgrading the system
 
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