Humulus lupulus var. lupuloides

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Has anyone brewed with these? I bought some from a local grower who described them as very aromatic, resinous, and floral. Given their wild-ness, is it safe to assume their AA is pretty low (2-3%), and based on his description I'm guessing they're more suited to new world styles?

Tiny bit of info from a scientific article's abstract: "The principal distinctions between the two sub-species were a markedly higher proportion of CoH (38-88% vs. 19-41%) in alpha acids of H. l. var. lupuloides, and generally higher concentrations of AA in cultivars of both American and European commercial hop cultivars, predominantly H. lupulus var. lupulus" (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12453579)

Edit: Seems like Bobek might have a similar profile, listed as Floral + Pine here https://ychhops.com/varieties/bobek.
 
I have not seen or used these, but they sound very interesting. If by "new world styles" you mean something like "juicy IPA" then I'd think they are not especially appropriate. I would guess these will be rustic and coarse in character, but I have absolutely no actual knowledge or justification for that other than your descriptors. Just my gut.

If I had some, I'd go for a pale or amber ale (probably amber, since I think that can carry heavy resin character better), hop it to 25 IBUs with a very clean bittering hop (such as Magnum) at boil start, and then add a bunch of these throughout the boil and maybe in dry hopping depending on how they smell to you.

Here's another reference to that hop lineage: https://www.fivebladesbrewing.com/neomexicanus-hops-primer/

Most important is that you should make your beer and report back with your experience so the next person can build on it!
 
MarcGuay said:
Has anyone brewed with these? I bought some from a local grower who described them as very aromatic, resinous, and floral. Given their wild-ness, is it safe to assume their AA is pretty low (2-3%), and based on his description I'm guessing they're more suited to new world styles?

Tiny bit of info from a scientific article's abstract: "The principal distinctions between the two sub-species were a markedly higher proportion of CoH (38-88% vs. 19-41%) in alpha acids of H. l. var. lupuloides, and generally higher concentrations of AA in cultivars of both American and European commercial hop cultivars, predominantly H. lupulus var. lupulus" (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12453579)

Edit: Seems like Bobek might have a similar profile, listed as Floral + Pine here https://ychhops.com/varieties/bobek.
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Local grower? In Québec? Who/where? Trying to find H. l. lupuloides rhizomes or seeds and can't find anything on google.
 
I don't see it on their website, I sent them an email. Thanks.

Did you try using them? What was the result?
 
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I don't see it on their website, I sent them an email. Thanks.

Did you try using them? What was the result?
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They're listed on this page http://houblonsfranklin.com/Brasseur/Varietes/ under Indigène.

I brewed a pale ale with them and it turned out nicely. I estimated around 3% AA and I think it's pretty close to that. It's quite floral, maybe a bit of pine and citrus. I'm bringing it to a homebrewers meetup tonight, I'll ask people what their senses tell them and add more if it's interesting.
 
Got told it's only for cones right not, no rhizomes, though they may start selling rhizomes next year.
 
Feedback from a local homebrewer I've been swapping beers with:

"I get some floral and earthy notes from it, with a hint of citrus. The earth is nice; some hops taste like dirt; this is more forest floor. The hop is pleasant, similar to say Goldings."

Also based on the bitterness impression the AA% is probably 2-3%.
 
From my potted Ottawa plants, not really, might be a few cones hidden under the foliage but not much. From my other lupuloides, the three in the ground, a ton of cones. Didn't harvest yet, will have to do that soon.
 
Nice. Is there much variation between the plants (vigour, cone size, etc.)?

If you end up brewing with them, post your thoughts!

Cheers!
 
There's variation, but I wouldn't say it's huge. They were all consistently later, greener, and higher yielding than their neighboring cultivars.

Note that they are grown in partial shade with no phytoprotection, no irrigation, and minimal fertilization. Just because they yield 10x more than my cultivars doesn't mean that they'd reach 20T/ha. ;)

For the flavor that's on my to-do list for... soonish. Going to harvest a few ounces of each probably for brewing trials, the rest is meant for seed production.
 

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