Boalmjpd
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does anyone have an idea of how many active homebrewers are out there? Just wondering.
Phil
Phil
You can get that big a drop just from people who've gone pro!I could easily see the drop-off from peak (which I'll guess was around 2014) being at least 50% and probably larger than that...
Anecdotal evidence has limited value, as I'm sure you know.lol!
But I actually only "know" one homebrewer that successfully went pro...
Cheers!
Brulosophy has a series of annual surveys that explores the shifting demography of the hobby.
Anecdotal evidence has limited value, as I'm sure you know.
Rising costs of ingredients may have contributed to much of those lower numbers. The days of $2 dry yeasts and sub-buck-a-pound malts are long gone.
Many homebrewers who were just within their budget in 2014 are likely finding today's costs prohibitive.
Sure, you can buy in bulk--grain by the sack, hops by the pound, etc., but the average, casual homebrewer isn't doing that.
Also, many LHBS went toes-up in recent years, due to thin margins, competition from big online vendors, and the pandemic. Less local access probably turned some people away from the pastime.
Finally, I think homebrewing is past its zeitgeist. It was all the rage 10 years ago, but a lot of those folks have moved on to other things.
Great survey. Thanks for posting.
... and any measurement of posting activity (in online discussion) is likely useless. Based solely on "usenet" activity, home brewing probably peaked in the early 1980s and has been dead for a long long time. The medium for discussion changes, the hobby lives on.Anecdotal evidence has limited value,
Digital electronics as a hobby seems to have survived through "eras": 1) building personal computers, 2) robotics, 3) "build your own" or "open for expansion" devices (Raspberry PI / Arduino).You see the same thing in other highly technical hobbies, like autos.
Actually the pinnacle of home brewing activity was during prohibition 100 yrs ago.... and any measurement of posting activity (in online discussion) is likely useless. Based solely on "usenet" activity, home brewing probably peaked in the early 1980s and has been dead for a long long time. The medium for discussion changes, the hobby lives on.
Digital electronics as a hobby seems to have survived through "eras": 1) building personal computers, 2) robotics, 3) "build your own" or "open for expansion" devices (Raspberry PI / Arduino).
Astronomy: Over time, it's possible home brewing may become more like astronomy. With hobbiest astronomy, there's not much new to discover. Forums talk about how to enjoy viewing stars in urban, suburban, and rural settings using everything from 7x35 binos to home made telescopes to digital viewing. It's about getting the most enjoyment with what one has available at the moment.
We have four members from our local homebrew club who went pro. Two opened a local brewery just as Covid was taking off. Then a couple years ago two others opened up a local brewery. In fact, we hold our meetings at the older of the two breweries. Both breweries are doing quite well and are almost always packed. Although our club has a couple hundred members we rarely get more than 8 or 10 attending our monthly meetings.lol!
But I actually only "know" one homebrewer that successfully went pro...
Cheers!
I think this is odd because the general cost of beer has gone up as well. So drinking in general is more expensive. Why not make it yourself?Rising costs of ingredients may have contributed to much of those lower numbers. The days of $2 dry yeasts and sub-buck-a-pound malts are long gone.
Many homebrewers who were just within their budget in 2014 are likely finding today's costs prohibitive.
Sure, you can buy in bulk--grain by the sack, hops by the pound, etc., but the average, casual homebrewer isn't doing that.
Also, many LHBS went toes-up in recent years, due to thin margins, competition from big online vendors, and the pandemic. Less local access probably turned some people away from the pastime.
Finally, I think homebrewing is past its zeitgeist. It was all the rage 10 years ago, but a lot of those folks have moved on to other things.
There are definitely also fewer homebrew shops now, too. Especially local shops. Many are buying mail order. The increased cost of fuel, increased cost of trucking, increased cost of everything and supply chain shortages defintely all have taken a toll. We’ve had 3 shops in our area who had all been around pretty much since the 80s close their doors in the last couple years. Some of it was retirement age folks, no doubt. But that was not all of it.Rising costs of ingredients may have contributed to much of those lower numbers. The days of $2 dry yeasts and sub-buck-a-pound malts are long gone.
Many homebrewers who were just within their budget in 2014 are likely finding today's costs prohibitive.
Sure, you can buy in bulk--grain by the sack, hops by the pound, etc., but the average, casual homebrewer isn't doing that.
Also, many LHBS went toes-up in recent years, due to thin margins, competition from big online vendors, and the pandemic. Less local access probably turned some people away from the pastime.
Finally, I think homebrewing is past its zeitgeist. It was all the rage 10 years ago, but a lot of those folks have moved on to other things.
A watched pot never boils. An unwatched pot boils over…Yeah, time is money. OTOH, a watched pot...
For me, the reason i took a 2 year hiatus (other than a second kid and buying a new house) was availability of what I wanted to drink. The 2 spots that spots that doesn't focus on sour milkshake NEIPAS and all that soup, failed( not wanting to talk styles and all, but at best they're okay).Using metrics of only my business, which spans hardware and homebrew ingredients/consumables, the peak was 2018. Covid actually brought back some volume which made 2020 match my 2017 numbers. There was a pretty rapid decline starting in 2021 to now with a major cliff starting around October 2022.
We have a lost a few homebrew shops in NJ over the last two years.
I've watched AHA speculate about what drives the homebrewing market for several years and the biggest correlation they could make is that homebrewing is pretty much directly inverse of the employment rate. When people are employed, they don't mind spending their money on local craft beer. When they are unemployed, they don't mind spending their "vast" spare time watching a pot boil.
This might seem a little off topic, but maybe not. My brewing slowed down and I determined it was a lack of excitement for dealing with all my heavy SS bling. I traded it all in for a compact all-in-one, and I'm brewing more than I have in 10yrs, and always looking forward to next session. Not only can I clean-in-place, I finally have a working RIMS, can whirlpool properly, etc.This is a very interesting post since I was wondering where we are at and what the future holds. Since the Plague I have cut down on brewing, but I think a lot of that has to do with not having lots of folks over. I spoke with my grain supplier, and he mentioned that homebrew buying is down for him. He says the mail order side is steady even now pulling out of the world slump.
I always think of how long I'll keep brewing my own and when I do decide to stop will there be a market for all of the shiny SS I've invested in . . . .
I brewed beer back in the late 70s to early 80s. I quit due to some poor results and lack of community to learn from. I always toyed with the idea of returning until my wife bought me this Man Crates gift 4 or 5 years ago. I'm not sure she is glad she did (she does not like beer, go figure). So that's one option for someone thinking about giving the gift to brewing. I have no affiliation with Man Crates and I think girls could probably be good at this too . . . Ask @YooperAlso note the disappearance of the Mr Beer kits. How many folks got those back in 2012 under the christmas tree?
Such is the miracle of women. They keep supporting us, oafs we are. I do not get it.I brewed beer back in the late 70s to early 80s. I quit due to some poor results and lack of community to learn from. I always toyed with the idea of returning until my wife bought me this Man Crates gift 4 or 5 years ago. I'm not sure she is glad she did (she does not like beer, go figure). So that's one option for someone thinking about giving the gift to brewing. I have no affiliation with Man Crates and I think girls could probably be good at this too . . . Ask @Yooper
That would be an interesting thread. Shout out the year you started.Started in '78. Still going strong!
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