my wife & I were at a wine & beer tasting room/bar thing. a guy in a group of patrons noticed the Voodoo Doughnut & made comment to the bartender. I mentioned that I'd never had it, but that I've heard quite a few negative reports about it. the bartender quickly replied, "That's because people try to drink it like a real beer." my wife muttered under her breath, "My husband's been brewing for half your life. I think he knows how to drink a beer." I love my wife.
WTF is a "real" beer? Is that like CAMRA?
I've had it. It isn't bad, but it's very, very smoky. I've had other rauchbier I couldn't drink - this one I could.
Some peoples stupidity never ceases to amaze me. Stouts & IPA's not beer?!:smack:
Well,IPA's were originally sgipped to their soldiers when india,etc were still their colonial possesions. so the Brits there would know it,but the locals might not. It just gets me when folks don't know that stouts,IPA's,etc are ales...or beers,if they aren't made in the traditional ale process.
Well,IPA's were originally sgipped to their soldiers when india,etc were still their colonial possesions. so the Brits there would know it,but the locals might not. It just gets me when folks don't know that stouts,IPA's,etc are ales...or beers,if they aren't made in the traditional ale process.
They're beers whether they are made according to "the traditional ale process" or not
Not according to English history,& thus CAMRA. If it has hops it's beer. If it's fermented 4 days & then put into a cask to finish,it's ale. Over here,"beer" has gotten demoted to a general term.
Not according to English history,& thus CAMRA. If it has hops it's beer. If it's fermented 4 days & then put into a cask to finish,it's ale. Over here,"beer" has gotten demoted to a general term.
I'm sorry, but that is ridiculous. The rigid CAMRA definition is as asinine as the American notion that beer is yellow, fizzy and very loosely based on Pilsener. What makes a CAMRA wonk any more qualified to determine what is "ale" and what is "beer" than a brewmaster of German, Belgian or other descent? To a German, for instance, it is all beer and they define it further by style... it is most likely lager, but could be an ale such as Altbier or hefeweizen.
Beer is any beverage made from fermented extract of cereal grains. "Ale" and "Lager" are the two major subsets, as determined exclusively by the species of yeast used to ferment the beer. Then you have other types of beer that don't necessarily fall into either of those descriptors, such as South American Chicha or African sorghum beers.
Hey,I didn't make it up,I just repeated it. I saved an article somewhere... But that's the gist of what was said. I go by the yeast bit myself,so whatever...
I agree with you, but CAMRA aren't under that illusion. They don't say that lager isn't beer.
I prefer Morehead
At a party near one of the BMC plants, I overheard a drunk BMC employee explaining that there were only three types of beer,
"Lagers, as in Bud, Pilsners as in Miller, and ales as in Sam Adams. Stouts are just stouts - not beer, same goes for IPA's."
For some reason I read Motörhead... :rockin:
Sorry, I wasn't clear in what I was referring to, wasn't actually suggesting that CAMRA didn't consider lagers beer. More like this;
As an American I would walk into a pub in London and ask "what do you have for beer?" I always got the reply, "Do you mean beer or lager?" Now, I knew what they meant by that (beer being 'ale' and lager being, well, lager and more specifically something like a helles or pils). I would reply that yes, I wanted beer. Now, this is where I have issue with CAMRA, the definition of 'ale'... I have heard some of the CAMRA types define 'ale' in general as Unionrdr described, meaning that if it wasn't cask condition it wasn't ale at all... not sure if that is the official CAMRA position or not, but have encountered enough believers that I wouldn't care to count. Then, of course, there is the rigid definition of "real ale" (which is what I was striking out at specifically), meaning cask or bottle condition and dispensed without any external source of CO2. That it should somehow be considered "real", with anything else by default being somehow fake, whether that term is used or not, is presumptuous.
Things got real unfunny and confrontational real fast. Bring back the funny.
Not according to English history,& thus CAMRA. If it has hops it's beer. If it's fermented 4 days & then put into a cask to finish,it's ale. Over here,"beer" has gotten demoted to a general term.
Rienheitsgebot, It's all beer til adjuncts are added
Not in England. Check out my post #2781 in the paragraph sited in the provided link. It's right there in black & white.
bobmcstuff said:Not in England in the 1700s you mean...
Which is when most people head to the pub after a hard days work. Just be home by six.
Not in England in the 1700s you mean...
It dosen't specifically touch on that at all. just about the new "porter" being done & aged at the brewery & leaving there ready to go. Then about Burton pale ales & all. Guess some just won't admit that I wasn'r mistaken or whatever...
Not in England. Check out my post #2781 in the paragraph sited in the provided link. It's right there in black & white.
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