First try at formulating a recipe (All Citra IPA with continuous hopping schedule)

[RobMT]

Here's the recipe I came up with after looking at different recipes here and the ingredients for Flying Monkey Brewery's Smashbomb IPA:

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
0.50 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Mash 60.0 min 3.7 IBUs
0.35 oz Citra [12.00 %] - First Wort 60.0 min Hop 7 14.2 IBUs
0.15 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 8 5.5 IBUs
0.15 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 57.0 min Hop 9 5.5 IBUs
0.15 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 54.0 min Hop 10 5.4 IBUs
0.15 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 51.0 min Hop 11 5.3 IBUs
0.15 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 48.0 min Hop 12 5.2 IBUs
0.15 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 45.0 min Hop 13 5.1 IBUs
0.15 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 42.0 min Hop 14 5.0 IBUs
0.15 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 39.0 min Hop 15 4.8 IBUs
0.15 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 36.0 min Hop 16 4.7 IBUs
0.15 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 33.0 min Hop 17 4.5 IBUs
0.15 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 30.0 min Hop 18 4.3 IBUs
0.15 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 27.0 min Hop 19 4.0 IBUs
0.15 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 24.0 min Hop 20 3.8 IBUs
0.15 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 21.0 min Hop 21 3.5 IBUs
0.15 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 18.0 min Hop 22 3.1 IBUs
0.15 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 23 2.7 IBUs
0.15 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 12.0 min Hop 24 2.3 IBUs
0.15 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 9.0 min Hop 25 1.8 IBUs
0.15 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 6.0 min Hop 26 1.3 IBUs
0.15 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 3.0 min Hop 27 0.7 IBUs
0.15 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 28 0.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Dry Hop 7 Days Hop 30 0.0 IBUs


8.0 oz Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 4 2.8 %

15 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 84.2 %

1 lbs Victory Malt (25.0 SRM) Grain 3 5.6 %

1 lbs Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 2 5.6 %

5.0 oz Black (Patent) Malt (500.0 SRM) Grain 5 1.7 %



1.0 pkg Nottingham (Danstar #-) [23.66 ml] Yeast 29 -


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 17 lbs 13.0 oz
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Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Mash In Add 25.15 qt of water at 165.1 F 154.0 F 60 min

Sparge: Drain mash tun, Batch sparge with 1 steps (3.48gal) of 168.0 F water
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Est Original Gravity: 1.070
Est Final Gravity: 1.017 SG
Est Colour: 20.8
Bitterness: 96.3 IBU's

That's the plain text from BeerSmith, apologies if it is hard to follow. I'm interested in capturing the bitterness, flavour and aroma of the hop as it changes throughout the entire process. How does the hop schedule look for a continuous hopping?

I also chose Nottingham yeast because it is known for fermenting cleanly without imparting flavour (which seems to be desireable in an IPA). Would anyone suggest a different yeast to use?

 

[berebrando]

You are crazy! This is one high maintenance boil you've laid out here... That said, I think you could drop the black malt - I don't see how that would benefit this beer. I love the taste of victory in an IPa

Edit: 154 is a bit high for an IPA mash temp. I mash all my pale beers at 150 +/- 2. Also, notty is a good choice - us05 would also be very good clean IPA yeast (it's my personal favorite).

 

[RobMT]

Mainly adding it for colour to try and look similar to this

 

[berebrando]

You could try a darker character malt, like special b, in the place of your crystal to achieve a color like that. You could also incorporate a darker base malt, like Munich or Vienna, into the base malt portion of the grist to get a darker color.

(or, you could Just ignore me. It's against my brewing philosophy to add a malt merely for color.)

 

[Calder]

If you want a hop-bomb, I think you need more hops. 5 ozs is not a lot, and you have less than an ounce in the last 15 minutes. You probably will not get anywhere near the hop character you are hoping for.

I would keep the FWH, but dial it back to 20 minutes for the calculator. Sort out what you need to get the IBUs you want and add them at 60 minutes, then move all the rest to the last 20 minutes.

S-05/1056 would be a better yeast to get a clean profile. Notty can throw off some esters if not kept cool.

As BB noted, toss the black. Use a little Special B or Chocolate instead.

I think IPAs should be dry. Mash low (148 - 150), reduce the crystal to about half a pound, and think about replacing some of the grain for a pound of table sugar.

 

[Curtis2010]

Never seen a hops schedule like that -- what are you trying to accomplish with such small and frequent additions?

 

[BigRob]

Color of smashbomb is apparently 11-12SRM, so you might want to lower your black malt. They give a pretty concise breakdown of how to replicate smashbomb on the website itself.

Malts:
1. Briess Victory Malt
2. Briess Crystal 60
3. Muntons Black Patent Malt
4. 2-Row N. American Pale (Metcalf and Copeland)

Hops:
1. Early Hops Citra (Wort/mash)
2. Early Hops Citra (1Runnings)
3. Kettle Hops Citra (Bittering)
4. Kettle Hops Citra (2nd 15m EOB)
5. Kettle Hops Citra (3rdEOB)
6. Late Hop Additions Citra (whirlpool)
7. Late Hop Addition Centennial (whirlpool)
8. Dry Hop Citra / Centennial through Hoppapotamus
9. Dry Hop – Citra (cask only)

 

[RobMT]

First off, Thank you! I really appreciate the advice you guys are providing. Since I'm new to the whole recipe creating game, it is very helpful to have some input. I've altered the grain bill slightly according to what you guys have posted.

Further, I will be using S-05 instead of Nottingham. Currently I only have two fermentation tmeperatures available; 55 and 68 degrees. Which would be best for S-05?

Regarding the breakdown from the brewery itself, I guess I'll be straying slightly from it and making the beer "my own."

Here's the grain bill since updating it with what you guys suggested:
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4.0 oz Special B Malt (180.0 SRM)

8.0 oz Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM)

1 lbs Victory Malt (25.0 SRM)

5 lbs Munich Malt (9.0 SRM)

10 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM)


Mash will be at 149 degrees for 60 minutes with a 168 degree batch sparge
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This puts the colour at 13 SRM.

How does that grain bill look to you guys?

Still plugging away at the hopping schedule though...

 

[RobMT]

Upped the total hops to 8 ounces and grouped my additions into the last 20 minutes. Here's the revised schedule:

Amt Name Type # %/IBU
0.50 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Mash 60.0 min Hop 6 3.8 IBUs
0.50 oz Citra [12.00 %] - First Wort 60.0 min Hop 7 20.8 IBUs
0.50 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 8 19.0 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 9 4.6 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 19.0 min Hop 10 4.4 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 18.0 min Hop 11 4.3 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 17.0 min Hop 12 4.1 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 16.0 min Hop 13 3.9 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 14 3.8 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 14.0 min Hop 15 3.6 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 13.0 min Hop 16 3.4 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 12.0 min Hop 17 3.2 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 11.0 min Hop 18 3.0 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 19 2.7 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 9.0 min Hop 20 2.5 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 8.0 min Hop 21 2.3 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 7.0 min Hop 22 2.0 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 6.0 min Hop 23 1.8 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 24 1.5 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 4.0 min Hop 25 1.2 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 3.0 min Hop 26 0.9 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 2.0 min Hop 27 0.6 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 1.0 min Hop 28 0.3 IBUs
0.50 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 29 0.0 IBUs
2.00 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Dry Hop - 7 days

97.8 IBUs

Is that getting there?

 

[Prymal]

What efficiency are you shooting for, that seems like a lot of grain for 1.070. I started a thread just after you about my citra IPA. Totally different recipe, it would be interesting to taste yours compared to mine.

 

[RobMT]

I've been getting about 60% efficiency with my set up. I'm assuming the crush I'm getting from the LHBS is too coarse, so I'm accounting for that as best I can.

I'd love to try yours too, maybe a bottle swap once it's all brewed and bottled?

 

[Calder]

Upped the total hops to 8 ounces and grouped my additions into the last 20 minutes. Here's the revised schedule:

Amt Name Type # %/IBU
0.50 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Mash 60.0 min Hop 6 3.8 IBUs
0.50 oz Citra [12.00 %] - First Wort 60.0 min Hop 7 20.8 IBUs
0.50 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 8 19.0 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 9 4.6 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 19.0 min Hop 10 4.4 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 18.0 min Hop 11 4.3 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 17.0 min Hop 12 4.1 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 16.0 min Hop 13 3.9 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 14 3.8 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 14.0 min Hop 15 3.6 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 13.0 min Hop 16 3.4 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 12.0 min Hop 17 3.2 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 11.0 min Hop 18 3.0 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 19 2.7 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 9.0 min Hop 20 2.5 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 8.0 min Hop 21 2.3 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 7.0 min Hop 22 2.0 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 6.0 min Hop 23 1.8 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 24 1.5 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 4.0 min Hop 25 1.2 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 3.0 min Hop 26 0.9 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 2.0 min Hop 27 0.6 IBUs
0.20 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 1.0 min Hop 28 0.3 IBUs
0.50 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 29 0.0 IBUs
2.00 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Dry Hop - 7 days

97.8 IBUs

Now that's a hop-bomb.

I've been getting about 60% efficiency with my set up. I'm assuming the crush I'm getting from the LHBS is too coarse, so I'm accounting for that as best I can.

16.75 lbs of grain at 60% efficiency in 5 gallons will get you somewhere around 1.070.

You know if you could get it up to 75% efficiency you would save about 3.5 lbs of grain in this recipe. What does the grain cost you? How many batches like this would it take to cover the price of a Barley Crusher ($120), or even a Corona mill ($35). Then you could buy grain in bulk, and get additional savings.

 

[Prymal]

You know if you could get it up to 75% efficiency you would save about 3.5 lbs of grain in this recipe. What does the grain cost you? How many batches like this would it take to cover the price of a Barley Crusher ($120), or even a Corona mill ($35). Then you could buy grain in bulk, and get additional savings.

I couldn't agree more. It may be a bit of an investment to start but buying a mill and base malt in bulk has already started saving me tons. I went from 65% eff to 75% with my own mill. Also I went from paying $1.25 per lb to $0.65 per lb for base malt.

 

[crash1292]

with that hop schedule you might as well use a gear driven motor with a conveyor belt to add your hop additions:cross:

 

[RobMT]

16.75 lbs of grain at 60% efficiency in 5 gallons will get you somewhere around 1.070.

You know if you could get it up to 75% efficiency you would save about 3.5 lbs of grain in this recipe. What does the grain cost you? How many batches like this would it take to cover the price of a Barley Crusher ($120), or even a Corona mill ($35). Then you could buy grain in bulk, and get additional savings.

I couldn't agree more. It may be a bit of an investment to start but buying a mill and base malt in bulk has already started saving me tons. I went from 65% eff to 75% with my own mill. Also I went from paying $1.25 per lb to $0.65 per lb for base malt.

A grain mill is right near the top of my to-buy list, I swear! Problem being, local availability. Only LHBS that has mills has them starting at around $200. Hopefully, I just haven't looked close enough and missed the less expensive options.

How well does a corona mill function? I'm assuming it is adjustable?

with that hop schedule you might as well use a gear driven motor with a conveyor belt to add your hop additions:cross:

Hahaha no kidding. At least it's only the last 20 minutes. It will also make the post brewing beer that much better.

 

[Calder]

A grain mill is right near the top of my to-buy list, I swear! Problem being, local availability. Only LHBS that has mills has them starting at around $200. Hopefully, I just haven't looked close enough and missed the less expensive options.

How well does a corona mill function? I'm assuming it is adjustable?

Rebel Brewer has a barley crusher for $120 (+ shipping). I only partial mash, use about 5 lbs of grain a brew. I have a Corona mill and it suits my needs. I get 80%+ efficiency (occasionally over 90%). It is adjustable, I hand crank and can do about 5 lbs in 5 to 10 minutes. I have adapted it to run with a drill, but have never used it that way. It works fine and a lot of folks have them, but I think that if I was to go all-grain, I probably would upgrade to a BC (or similar). I bought my Corona mill from Buy.com for about $30 including shipping. If you get a corona mill, make sure you get one with the big hopper on it.