Thanks for all the suggestions, until the time that I can build myself a fermentation chamber (likely a use dorm fridge some polystyrene and of course a few beers to help) I am using a storage room in my basement that doesnt get heat (minnesota) so when I put my fermenters in there it was about 50 degrees, so the "cold crashing" isnt really that cold, but I did a "test" batch on my new electric 10 gal. self built system (pics to come later) I used 18 lbs. 2-row, 2 lbs. carmel 40 then into two diferent fermenters it went, then i dry hopped one with centenial and citra pellets, and the other with centennial whole leaf hops. the beer is looking real good and fairly clear, yes i used whirlflock, so I think that I am going to let these go and use the gealtin on the next on, probably going to be 20 lbs golden promise and all citra hops since i have about 8 oz. of citra that I need to use. I will add pics of the set up later, but a quick run down, i started with the Mr. beer, like may others on this forum, and just kept getting bigger, and through the process of asking around and knowing many people who tig weld i have taken a decommissioned keg and made an electric boil keggle, i found the parts researched other systems and found all of the material I needed and had one my friends weld in the fittings. I my newest addition is a counterflow chiller that myself and my dad made a couple weeks ago, it was a necessary addition since it didnt want to set my IC on the heating element. Now everything is its own spot and I can chill with out all of the long hoses and dont have move any kettle around, lovin electric brewing. I will get pics as soon as i get everything set back up.