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I brewed my first Belgian Patersbier (Father's Beer) this weekend. I suppose it is technically a Belgian Single but not sure? Anyway, I couldn't find any liquid Trappist yeast at my LHBS but did pick up a dry sachet of Abbaye yeast.

This is a light SRM beer with moderately low IBUs from Saaz hops. OG was 1.057 so I anticipate a beer around 5% which is about right for this elusive style.

Need suggestions on the ferm temps as I can't find much reading on this particular dry yeast. I have it at 65F but fermentation has not really started yet as I pitched yesterday eve late. I can adjust temps if need be at this point w/o much fear of off flavors if I need to adjust it a few degrees either way. Thanks for ferm temp ideas.
 
Trappist beers are traditionally brewed pretty warm compared to most ales. I would take it up to 70F, no more than 75F
You want the yeast to take center stage with a malty background.
 
Thanks to all^^^^^. I found one article on Trappist Ales, not Patersbier in particular, but all of the ales lumped as a category. It was suggested to let ferment one week at 66F, then let free ride to 70F for one additional week in primary. This is consistent with the advice from above :D and as the article said, the yeast is the star of the show here. With the bulk of the bill being pils malts and Saaz, the yeast needs to have a big impact here.
 


The Lallemand version is different than what you linked:

http://www.lallemandbrewing.com/product-details/abbaye-belgian-ale-yeast/

I contacted Lallemand to inquire about provenance and cells/gram and got the following responses (lifted from my post at the AHA Forum):

"I received a response back from Lallemand to my inquiry. After introducing myself and a bit of my process, I had two focused questions for them, both of which are shown below with responses:

1.) Is there any information, which you consider non-proprietary, about the provenance of this yeast? It would be nice to compare it to something else in order to know how to adjust my fermentation profile for similar results to my usual strains. (Note: Earlier in the inquiry I stated my normal yeast choices are 1214/3787)

RESPONSE: Our Abbaye strain was originally sourced from one of the Trappist monastery breweries in Belgium and is comparable to WLP500/WY1214, giving the stone fruit/estery notes at higher gravity and fermentation temps, and more "earthy" notes at lower temps. Personally, I find it really comes into it's own on Darker styles, but is suitable for [all] the classic Belgian styles.

2.) I have read the [technical specifications] sheet and was wondering if you could provide a more definite cell count per gram than what is posted [there]. There seems to be a great gap between what some "experts" quote on cell counts versus what the yeast companies are quoting. I understand that the producer must not over-estimate cell counts, but some of the high estimates I've seen floating around are as high as 20 x 10e9 cells/gram. That seems crazy to me so i have always estimated [between] 10-12 x 10e9 cells per gram. Any insights on this?

RESPONSE: These high cell counts of 20 x 10e9 cells per gram are coming from the wine industry. For most of our wine strains, the [technical specifications] are > 20 x 10e9 cells per gram. The cells of brewing yeast are usually larger than wine yeast cells so fewer cells per gram [are expected], but most of the wine yeast also have higher viability. Beer yeast usually have 5-10 x 10e9 cells per gram. Abbaye [has] more like 5-7 x 10e9 cells per gram.

Needless to say, i'll DEFINITELY be trying it out."

I then inquired about whether the 5-7 x 10e9 cells/gram they quoted was for rehydrated yeast (my words not Lallemand's):

"I got a reply back from Lallemand about my second inquiry and they confirmed that most (if not all) of their brewing yeast has between 5-10 x10e9 cells/gram. That number is quoted for rehydrated yeast.

That translates to a starting count of 10 x 10e9 cells/gram and a guaranteed count of 5 x 10e9 cells/gram at the best by date.

Running the numbers with a starting count of 10 x 10e9 cells/gram shows the yeast reaching minimum count in 36 months at 2% p/month viability loss and 18 months assuming 4% p/month viability loss.

The Abbaye is reported by Lallemand as 5-7 x10e9 cells/gram."

I'll be testing this weekend on my "3 Monks" Tripel recipe.

Just to reiterate: the Fermentis and Lallemand strains (the Fermentis Abbaye is now BE-256) are NOT equivalent. View attachment ImageUploadedByHome Brew1497318775.027342.jpg
 
I brewed my first Belgian Patersbier (Father's Beer) this weekend. I suppose it is technically a Belgian Single but not sure? Anyway, I couldn't find any liquid Trappist yeast at my LHBS but did pick up a dry sachet of Abbaye yeast.



This is a light SRM beer with moderately low IBUs from Saaz hops. OG was 1.057 so I anticipate a beer around 5% which is about right for this elusive style.



Need suggestions on the ferm temps as I can't find much reading on this particular dry yeast. I have it at 65F but fermentation has not really started yet as I pitched yesterday eve late. I can adjust temps if need be at this point w/o much fear of off flavors if I need to adjust it a few degrees either way. Thanks for ferm temp ideas.


After that whole blurb, I realized I didn't answer your question! I would start at 66 and let it free rise to final gravity. Should be done in 4-5 days.

How much did you pitch? Did you rehydrate?
 
Good post. I used one dry sachet rehydrated into 5.5G. I pitched after O2 stone oxygenation, and 18 hours later I have tremendous BO tube activity. While I never use the BO tube as a completely reliable marker, I also have a Tilt floating hydrometer that is showing a drop in SG in a short time. I usually experience a longer time lag with rehydrated dry yeast, but this one is launching like many liquid yeasts from starters.

I am at 65F now so I'll free rise in a day or two.
 
Has anyone tried pitching this dry? Info sheet says it can be done, but I'm curious if anyone has had success doing so.
 

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