Use the magnum to bitter and the nugget for flavor/aroma. The special B may add more roastiness than the orig but should taste good.I'm not really into cloning beers, but I really like AB. Would like brew something close using what I have already. (and I have Special B) This looks like a good candidate for a 3 gallon brew.
How different would it be if I substitute Nugget hops for the Chinook? I also have Magnum, but I don't think it has enough flavor and aroma.
I'm sure the aroma/flavor hops will fade a bit, but overall the beer should age well as long as you get the ABV up to 8 or higher.
OK good to know. Stone have a brewery in Berlin now so I must try it again. Wasn't too impressed first time I tried it. Reminded me of a German dunkel bock hopped with american hops. Maybe it was still at the harsh phase.It ages well. A little aging is recommended because it can be harsh at first as the Chinook is a "rough" tasting hop, though I do love it!
OK good to know. Stone have a brewery in Berlin now so I must try it again. Wasn't too impressed first time I tried it. Reminded me of a German dunkel bock hopped with american hops. Maybe it was still at the harsh phase.
Has anyone brewed this beer with this yeast?
https://www.lallemandbrewing.com/en/global/product-details/lalbrew-new-england/
Alternatively, has anyone brewed this with a good non US-05 or S-04 Dry yeast? Keen to hear peoples thoughts.
Waking up this old thread for research
someone mentioned post 845, how do I find that post. Thank you.
Thank you Sir.page 22, and you're welcome, about 5 down....
Thank you Sir.
Then you’ll be glad to know I’ve just mashed in my first attempt.
Using inspiration from redskinnfan
Metric measurements
6kg 2row
600g Caraaroma
150g carapils
25g Chinook 60/30
30g chinook 10
60g chinook 0
Using BRY97 for yeast as it’s my easy as house yeast.
You'll all be pleased to know this picked up a bronze at the NHC here in NZ.
Comments to the contrary of good beer were some minor oxidation and needs fresher hops.
It's a winner. slightly modified from the final recipe from redskinnfan, but much the same overall.
Definitely pleased! Congrats! How did you handle your water treatment? Lots of talk about "a lot" of Gypsum, but nothing quantitative.
As of right now, I am planning to add enough Gypsum for 150ppm of sulfate, with a ratio of 3:1 to chloride. Any thoughts?
given the water here is really plain, not alot of treatment is actually required.
3:1 is what I do on most beers like this.
we have no chlorine, and no other treatments, so filtering isn't required.
i add 1/2 tsp of lactic acid to the aprge water normally.
I recently brewed up this clone using post 845 as the basis. There were a few minor mods - my recipe for 6 gal was as follows:
It makes a very delicious beer which fit my recollection of the beer over the many years I've been drinking it (although hadn't been drinking much of it lately).
- Grain:
- 15 lb Pale Ale Malt
- 2.25 lb CaraAroma Malt
- 3 oz Acid Malt
- Hops:
- 3 oz Chinook (Leaf, 12.2% AA) at 60 min
- 1 oz Chinook (Leaf, 12.2% AA) at 20 min
- 1 oz Chinook (Leaf, 12.2% AA) at 5 min
- 1 oz Chinook (Leaf, 12.2% AA) at 0 min
- Yeast:
- WLP 013 London Ale
- Water:
- 10 gal spring water
- 5 gal tap water
- 1 tsp CaCl
- 2 tsp Gypsum
- 1 tsp Irish Moss
I decided to try it side by side with the real thing for the sake of science. Was surprised to find the beer was much hoppier than I remembered (flavoring hops and aroma hops to level of a beer like Pliney the Elder). Here were my tasting notes:
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- Aroma:
- The hop aroma of the real Arrogant Bastard is quite a bit stronger than my beer. It has pine-like and slightly marijuana-like aroma where mine is more grassy and herbal
- Appearance:
- Arrogant bastard is maybe a couple shades lighter than mine but I think the color is about right. It pours with much more agressive carbonation level and leaves lacing on the glass
- Flavor:
- As with the aroma, the hop flavor for the real Arrogant Bastard is quite a bit more prominent than mine - same pine and marijuana from the aroma. Hops completely dominate the malt here - can't really pick out any malt flavor. It is slightly more bitter in the finish and even less balanced
- Mouthfeel:
- The real Arrogant is very slightly lighter bodied than mine and is a bit drier
- Overall:
- They are a lot different. Stone doesn't list the hops used in the beer (their flagship) which very well could give them license to have changed the hops over time to adjust to changing palates. I strongly suspect they aren't using Chinook hops in this beer at this point (although it may be that they're using a more potent Chinook harvest than I am). This probably shouldn't be a surprise as I brewed a clone that's over 6 years old at this point. As for the malt, the color is very close - can't speak much to flavor though. Stone's Arrogant Bastard is a really nice beer. I think mine is also nice but it's definitely not a clone here in July 2020.
So, the 2014 clone recipe makes a delicious beer but we're shooting at a moving target, it seems to me, and it's no longer close to the mark. I feel somewhat badly for Stone as they've seen the beer scene kind of evolve past them and now are having to struggle to stay relevant in a world of fickle beer drinkers. This current Arrogant Bastard is wonderful though - I would recommend trying it out.
Click here for my blog if you're interested in reading more about my experience brewing this.
It's definitely an interesting one. we all know that independent breweries will tweak and make minor changes to their recipes over time and batch by batch, sometimes because of harvest quality, AA's etc.
I guess the question is, are Stone too big to play with their recipes batch by batch?
I would suspect that they have adjusted their recipe in someway though, maybe some columbuin there and/or nugget?
Thoase are hops that tende to have those qualities.
i thought big brewies mixed their batches with a pro taster.....at least that's what i saw in a documentary about budweiser....get like 12 different batches then blend.....
Side by side comparison:
Arrogant Bastard (Left) & Fargin' Bastage (Right)
Color, body, and carbonation are indistinguishable
Arrogant Bastard has slightly better clarity, a tad more fruity esters, and a sharper bitterness
Fargin' Bastage has a richer, more complex malt flavor. I was shooting for a slightly smoother AB and this recipe hit that mark.
Very interesting that you make so little note of hop aroma and flavor in your comparison. To me those are the ultimate defining character of Arrogant Bastard in its current form and the major difference between this clone recipe and the real thing.
i would say Arrogant bastard is heavier on flavoring hops and is aggressively dry hopped.
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