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Ahhhh. So I see that another anti-meat guy is claiming that it is not healthy to eat meat and acting as if that is fact. It assuredly is not a fact, but don't let that stop you from "educating" the heathens.
 
There's so many mis-informational or dis-informational things that are put out there. And I am sure that there are certain elements who believe what they read, simply because someone claiming to be an expert or having an insider view have made the claim.
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In my case I was a happy carnivore until I read a book which spoke about the health ramifications of eating meat.
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Haha!
 
Yep, I read a book. It happened to be written by a doctor with 40+ years of clinical research, whose work has been peer reviewed hundreds of times and whose research has spawned thousands of other research projects. So I'd consider that first author a credible source. But it doesn't stop there! American Cancer Society, National Institutes of Health, and many many more credible organizations who have spent millions of dollars in research projects have come to the same conclusion.

Eat meat if you want, that's your choice. But you cannot deny that there are health effects.
 
The MOST convincing thing I had ever seen was the simple "death rate" chart from countries where nazis had confuscated all the animals.

People seemed to just stop dying after being vegetarian for a year or so.

That said, I can't WAIT for my meat filled dinner!

I stewed a bunch of chicken last night because it was looking a little freezer burned. Tonight is chicken enchiladas, cheese enchiladas, and smoked BEEF enchiladas......

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!
 
HomebrewCraig said:
Yep, I read a book. It happened to be written by a doctor with 40+ years of clinical research, whose work has been peer reviewed hundreds of times and whose research has spawned thousands of other research projects. So I'd consider that first author a credible source. But it doesn't stop there! American Cancer Society, National Institutes of Health, and many many more credible organizations who have spent millions of dollars in research projects have come to the same conclusion.

Eat meat if you want, that's your choice. But you cannot deny that there are health effects.
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Do you eat grains and corn?

The health effects are much worse than those of eating meat.

Follow the money...
 
CGVT said:
Do you eat grains and corn?

The health effects are much worse than those of eating meat.

Follow the money...
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I'm sure you have some clinically researched and widely accepted proof, right?

Can't wait to see it.

There's absolutely no critically accepted research done which states that plant-based protein is unhealthy and animal-based protein is healthy.
 
I didn't say plant based protein was unhealthy.

I said grains and corn were unhealthy.

They are.
 
Gary Taubes... I am familiar with him. He's a writer without a medical degree who has advocated The Atkins diet, which has been thoroughly proven to wreck your health in the long term for short-term results (which disappear once the diet is given up)

"I do indeed eat three eggs with cheese, bacon and sausage for breakfast every morning, typically a couple of cheeseburgers (no bun) or a roast chicken for lunch, and more often than not, a rib eye or New York steak (grass fed) for dinner, usually in the neighborhood of a pound of meat. I cook with butter and, occasionally, olive oil (the sausages). My snacks run to cheese and almonds. So lots of fat and saturated fat and very little carbohydrates." Even disregarding the economic, environmental and ethical issues raised by consuming all this meat, the burden of proof for a diet like Gary’s should be quite high.

EDIT

Here's a great critique of Gary Taubes:

http://lesswrong.com/tag/gary_taubes/


He's just another crackpot trying to cash in on the diet obsession fad.
 
Open your mind. Watch the video or read his book. (it has nothing to do with the Atkins diet, BTW) Read the studies that he references. You are wrong on all counts.

Have fun. Enjoy your lentils and beans.

Now if you excuse me, I am going out back to grill a ribeye and have a beer (the only acceptable use for grain).

I doubt that you will live longer, but even if you do, why would you want to?

Carry on

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Taubes did advocate Atkins at one point, and then stopped advocating. once he wrote his own "diet" book.

I thoroughly enjoy my lentils, cauliflower, broccoli, mushrooms, leeks, and every other vegetable and fruit out there.

I may indeed live longer, but that's only part of it. The biggest consideration is the quality of life enjoyed for a much longer period of time. Less aches and pains, far fewer medicine prescriptions, no invasive surgeries... So if I can spend years enjoying life in a manner as I have for the last few decades, awesome. You know those surgeries which crack your ribcage open, or inflate balloons in your arteries? They really don't fix anything. The underlying health issues are still there. It's like spray painting the rust on your fenders. Looks better for a short while, but the problems remain.


Enjoy your steak. I never said that it was wrong to to eat meat.. But it is not without it's health risks.
 
The problem is that none of what you are claiming is proven. None. Zero. Nada.

You read a book and believe it. Good for you, but it does not make it so.
 
Then you must have missed the part about hundreds of peer-reviewed studies, thousands of daughter studies, many of which were similarly peer-reviewed.... So you are categorically wrong when you state that none of what I have claimed is proven. Quite to the contrary:

http://www.pcrm.org/health/cancer-resources/diet-cancer/facts/meat-consumption-and-cancer-risk

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/71/3/849.full

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2121650/

http://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ns-raises-cancer-risk-for-middle-aged-people/

So please, don't pretend that it's unproven. It's well-proven.

I read a book, and it challenged the belief system I have been culturally raised in. And then I read more books. Attended lectures. Spoke to certified nutritionists. Watched documentaries. Read some more. Researched the web. And together with my family, we made a choice to change the things we put into our bodies.

So yes, that first book was my paradigm shifting, gateway book. But isn't that how it almost always happens? One book. One documentary. One heart attack...

If you choose to believe some puffy Atkins-clone pseudo-quack non-doctor who has done ZERO clinical research instead of peer-reviewed medical studies supported by volumes of documentation, feel free.

Maybe you don't want to believe that there are health risks associated with eating meat, because you're afraid it may undermine the way you live?
 
You can both take your simplistic studies and myopic conclusions and shove them. I'm going to eat a steak with a wheat and corn based pilaf on the side tomorrow, in your honor.
 
cheezydemon3 said:
The MOST convincing thing I had ever seen was the simple "death rate" chart from countries where nazis had confuscated all the animals.

People seemed to just stop dying after being vegetarian for a year or so.
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Or, maybe it was because the Nazis also killed all the old and sick people.

Correlation =/= causation. There are always cofactors.
 
Moderation. The UNFAILING truth. No extreme is ever the best. 1 meal a day including MEAT, and I bet I outlive and out HEALTH a vegetarian.

That, and the healthiest vegetarian, tincture making, intelligent guy I ever met, was killed four wheeling way too young on the organic farm where he worked while writing his book.

A fluke to be sure, but a lesson nonetheless.
 
Ah... The 'argumentum ad temperantiam' logical fallacy. Except, compromise is not always the best answer.

How about for smoking? Is smoking in moderation the healthiest option?
 
Really, Dude?

Take you anti meat stance to a vegetarian thread.

Maybe you can go to an IPA thread and rail on about the evils of hops.

Troll.
 
Elevated insulin levels. Much worse for you than saturated fat.

We did not evolve to eat wheat and corn. Agriculture is a blip in the evolutionary history of man. We evolved to eat meat, vegetables and the occasional seasonal fruit. That is what our bodies thrive on.

Believe what you want.
 
Yawn. Nothing special about grains in that regard. Fruit, beer, and lots of other foods do the same. Silly paleo reasoning is bogus.

We're weak ass scavengers. We evolved to eat most anything we could get our hands on.

CGVT said:
Believe what you want.
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I will.
 
chocotaco said:
Or, maybe it was because the Nazis also killed all the old and sick people.

Correlation =/= causation. There are always cofactors.
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Yep, the Nazis were progressive socialists. They had a final solution for every problem.
 
Do some reading before you scoff.

FWIW, I do not follow a paleo (or Atkins) diet. I think it is rather silly, but I do try to control my insulin levels and swings by avoiding grains and sugars as much as possible.

As I said above, eat what you want. I really don't care and it is not my concern, but if you start an I love corn thread rest assured that I won't come into it and post about the evils of eating corn. Insufferable activism is not attractive.
 
FWIW, I'm an omnivore as were my ancestors averaging 90 or so years of age .

I shade back from dairy excepting butter and cheese. I grow sweet corn on a commercial basis. Sweet corn in season is pretty much mandatory with BBQ here.

There are hundreds of varieties of sweet corn available today of which I grow only 2 or 3 as my standard varieties and I trial new ones each year. Part of my job, as I see it, is to inform my customers as to what they are buying. Some of my customers must be very careful of sugar and my hired help is instructed to inform them of the potential sugar content of each variety as it is brought out for sale. It isn't the corn that is problematic so much as an individual's physical condition coupled with a lack of knowledge as to what they are consuming. Triplesweets are about as sugar intense as should be consumed by diabetics and then with caution. There again, we explain sugar contents.

Now, a good triplesweet is a far better cream ale grain than that flaked corn cattle feed that is commonly used. Personally opined , that same cream ale works better for BBQ for throat wash than anything else.
 
CGVT said:
Elevated insulin levels. Much worse for you than saturated fat.

We did not evolve to eat wheat and corn. Agriculture is a blip in the evolutionary history of man. We evolved to eat meat, vegetables and the occasional seasonal fruit. That is what our bodies thrive on.

Believe what you want.
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Incorrect. A carnivore's jaws move up and down with minimal sideways motion. The jaw motion of an omnivore is similar. These are tools that are useful for the tasks of shearing, ripping and tearing flesh and swallowing it whole. Omnivores swallow their food whole and/or with simple crushing. Man's, as well as other herbivore's jaws cannot shear, but have good side to side and back to front motion. These are tools that are useful for extensive chewing, crushing and grinding of grains and other high fiber foods. Animal flesh cannot be crushed, ground and chewed with the tools man has without some degenerating process such as cooking or frying.

A carnivore or omnivore's saliva does not contain digestive enzymes. Man's, as well as other herbivore's saliva is alkaline, containing carbohydrate digestive enzymes.

A carnivore's or omnivore's small intestine is three to six times the length of its trunk. This is a tool designed for rapid elimination of food that rots quickly. Man's, as well as other herbivore's small intestines are 10 to 12 times the length of their body, and winds itself back and forth in random directions. This is a tool designed for keeping food in it for long enough periods of time so that all the valuable nutrients and minerals can be extracted from it before it enters the large intestine.

A carnivore's or omnivore's large intestine is relatively short and simple, like a pipe. This passage is also relatively smooth and runs fairly straight so that fatty wastes high in cholesterol can easily slide out before they start to putrefy. Man's, as well as other herbivore's large intestines, or colons, are puckered and pouched, an apparatus that runs in three directions (ascending, traversing and descending), designed to hold wastes that originally were foods high in water content. This is so that the fluids can be extracted from these wastes, now that all the useful nutrients and minerals have been extracted and the long journey through the small intestine is over. Substances high in fat and cholesterol that have been putrefying for hours during their long stay in the small intestine tend to get stuck in the pockets that line the large intestine.

A carnivore's teeth are long, sharp and pointed. These are tools that are useful for the task of piercing into flesh. Omnivore's (meat and plant eaters) teeth are similar to that of carnivores. Man's, as well as other herbivore's teeth are not pointed, but flat edged. These are useful tools for biting, crushing and grinding.

Animal flesh, composed of the most highly complex type of protein that exists, requires vast amounts of uric acid to process. Uric acid is released into the system in amounts necessary to break proteins down into amino acids. Uric acid is a toxic substance responsible for the aging process and must be flushed out and dealt with. That is one of the jobs of the liver. In relative terms, a carnivore's liver is a tool designed with the capacity to eliminate ten times as much uric acid as the liver of man or other plant eater.


By the way, you'd have no need to monitor insulin levels if you ate right. No soda, processed sugars, HFCS, etc.
 
By the way, you'd have no need to monitor insulin levels if you ate right. No soda, processed sugars, HFCS, etc.
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Hahaha. You see, I don't have to monitor my insulin level because of the way I eat. I made the decision to reject the government's food pyramid and eat the way I do well before I developed any problems.

Now go away, troll.
 
HomebrewCraig said:
Ah... The 'argumentum ad temperantiam' logical fallacy. Except, compromise is not always the best answer.

How about for smoking? Is smoking in moderation the healthiest option?
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I would honestly argue that smoking a pipe 3 times a week has the same stress relieving BENEFITS of 2 glasses of wine a night.
 

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