40gal e-BIAB 99% sealed tri-clamp madness!

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Hello everyone!

I brewed my first ever batch in a 5gal BIAB on induction stove this september, and today I just finished my 20th. I rushed into all-grain so hard, because I'm an alcoholic and drink that much. (you definately should invent the tag here!) Oh, and also because I had in mind this fancy nano-brewery, which I will construct when I will brew some decent beers. I brewed them (thanks to Mysticmead, BierMunicher and KingBrian for some perfect recipies), and now its time to boost some m1ghty powah and spend a lot of money! :ban:

So, at first I was going to do a 3-vessel 1-level rig, that was highly inspired by the awesomeness of @kickflip_mj's brew rig. Then, I made some calculations and find that insanely cool project too expensive. I was already going to sell some drugs for more money, but then I discovered a report about Colorado eBIAB brewing rig somewhere here on HBT.

I looked at it and found it amazing. I would gladly order it ASAP, but I happen to live in a galaxy far, far away (somewhere alongside with bears and vodka), so the shipping costs and any possible malfunction could easily make me a poor kid again. And I also wanted it fully clamped, so...

...I had to design it from scratch, using the stuff I can possibly order from US and the other stuff that can be found here (For sure, I cant order the 55gal pot from Blichmann, because shipping costs will be more that 400$ :rockin:)

A bit later, I was very dissapointed to find out that here you can simply buy... nothing. We dont have tri-clamps except for some major industry in a quantity of 132189321 per order, we dont have beer pumps because vodka pours directly from the birch trees... We do have PID-controllers, but they cost exactly like the Omega ones at 1\10 quality.

So, I have to order all that fancy stainless shinings from the US. That creates some major problem - "mistakes are not an option" (c). If I forget 1 clamp, I'd have to wait for it for a month after I recieve the shipping, so 2 months from now. And our national currency is rapidly drilling the hole to the center of earth, so in a few months every clamp I forget or break will cost for me twice than now.

That's why I have to ask you, fellow homebrewers, to examine and inspect my plan and to report any flaws present or possible.

I made some renders from 3d-software to help you understand my intensions.

There is no stand and controller included, because stand will be forged with actual size measurements, and controller seems to be rather simple for me (i have some electrician trainingz). The stainless mesh "B for Basket" is also not included.



So, it will be a bottom-drained 1-vessel eBIAB fully clamped system. All the clamps and pipes are 1" and will be ordered from brewershardware. It will be heated by 3 4500W ULWD heating elements (my home nuclear reactor is obsolete so I can't get more than 15kw of power :( )

The red one is the 21.5x23.6 inch 40-gal pot.

The teal one is a reversed osmosis filter, which will recieve inline water. Two valves are there to pour not-filtered water for cleanup.

The blue one is a chugger central inlet pump.

The small grey pipe is a sight glass.

The big snowy pipe is a inline filter.

The big square pink one is a plate chiller from dudadiesel.

Teal valves are 1" butterfly. You close the highest and stream goes to chiller, you close the one on the right and stream goes back into kettle for recirculation and sparging. Huh, do I really need the first one?:drunk:

Orange, green, yellow and pink fittings are tri-clamped fittings! :fro:

Triangle with T° signs is a RTD tri-clamp sensors from auber. One on bottom drain, one on chiller outlet.

The pipe from the chiller goes up front to easily clamp a hose and direct it either back in kettle to chill the wort harder, or in a fermenter to pour the beer in.

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So, that seems to be all. I really need advice and some critisism, because every error will push me back on 1+ months waiting for new shinings to arrive.

Of course, I will report the construction process later in this thread, if everything goes smooth.:tank:

Thanks in advance!
 
We do have PID-controllers, but they cost exactly like the Omega ones at 1\10 quality.
Not sure what makes you look farther than China, at least when it comes to PIDs. At any rate most of them are made in China and afaik in your country there are ways to order from taobao. (Stainless fittings, silicone hoses, pretty much everything is made in China, too - and there are some really good things if you give yourself a job to spend some time doing search). Delivery would be also convincingly cheaper.
 
Not sure what makes you look farther than China, at least when it comes to PIDs. At any rate most of them are made in China and afaik in your country there are ways to order from taobao. (Stainless fittings, silicone hoses, pretty much everything is made in China, too - and there are some really good things if you give yourself a job to spend some time doing search). Delivery would be also convincingly cheaper.

Quality is what bothers me. I've looked for clamps on Aliexpress and found 4 sellers that look quite adequate to me. 1 have insane shipping costs, so there are 3 left (one, two, three). Do you know something that may help me choose the better one? I'm worried that I might get low quality clamps (metal) from them and this will also push me back in my plans...
 
First off I am honored that you were inspired by my build. Thank you.

I would never recommend building a rig like mine unless you know how to fabricate and you have money burning a hole in your pocket. Frankly your system will work just as good and with less problems.

I like the set up, minus the regular ball valve and the inline filter. If your going to go with all tri clamps, at least get a tri clamp ball valve or one of the easy clean ones? Also if you have a mesh basket, what do you plan on catching in the filter? I wouldnt run whole hops through it, it will clog with that large of a batch. some people do it like Marcb with success.

Have you looked at this company? The prices seem very competitive. The problem when you buy stuff here, you are buying the product marked up from companies like these. But who cares about a few extra bucks. Maybe order on thing and see if it comes in?

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/group/Valves-Sight-Gauges/1017341_502963010.html
 
First, whatever they show in the pictures is only a set of properly positioned pixels on your screen, nothing to do with whatever you get in your mail if you order from them. The real thing can be worse and can be better. Something of a lottery.
However, here is second: as Kickflip_mj said, nearly everything you buy from the USA is repacked and rebranded Chinese stuff, except every individual item had been hand picked for demanding North American market.

Does the difference in price justify the difference in quality? Sometimes yes, like talking tri-clamp fittings, you can sandpaper and polish whatever surface you find imperfect. It'll take you some time but mostly definitely it is doable and easy. I cannot and will not recommend any shop as I don't want to be responsible for influencing your choice, but just for your information, errr... well, for example, this:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=521474786553
Incredibly well made (well, incredibly for Chinese domestic market - but still pretty good) stainless pots of pretty much any size you might dream of within reasonable limits of homebrewing scale. I bought a 40x40 cm 2.5 mm thick pot from them (52L volume) and can testify that thing was marketed as a pot by a mistake; it should be a tank turret. It was 150 yuan, 23 or 24 bucks - twenty three or twenty four US dollars - for an indestructible thing that would outlive human civilization.
Once again, it is not a recommendation - just a hint. And go for taobao, it is a lot more convenient than aliexpress and whatever.
There are still things you will want to order from the US, but you can save massively on both price difference and delivery.
 
Oh!

First of all, thanks for you answers, guys. I couldn't reply for some time, because I was under some pressure these days ~_~

My current homebrewery, located in our office on the basement, was drowned in boiling water from our neighbours right on the NY holidays. 400 pounds of grain in 50lb bags (castle malting mostly, but some weyermanns too), ~20gal of decent (i hope!) homebrew (my 1st hopstand double IPA, my first weizenbock planned to be unique (with Hull Melon hops and fruity malts like Special B, i tried to make something close to Schneider Weiss TAP X :()), my grainmill, some electrics - everything turned to rusty stinking sheet. That was a fancy start of 2016!



However, I manager to order most of the stuff while cleaning it up and licking my wounds.

Now it is flying somewhere, totally 80 kg of shiningz from China and US both :fro:

Some of them arrived already from China, and I suprisingly found the quality to be very good, while saving 30-40% of product costs and 50%+ of shipping costs!

Here they are (from this vendor):


I also made some changes to the original design while thinking how to improve it. Now it is more portable and convinient, without this cunning long extra tubes which could steal my precious beer! :tank:

Here it is:


I still need to figure out a convinient way to recirculate wort during\after the boil, currently I'm thinking about another 1.5" clamp fitting on top, the S-shaped removable whirlpool device (also inspired by this one from CoBrew; God, I really need to buy him a round on my next US trip :D). It will be connected to a output green tee from the chiller via the clamped or Q-D fitting and a silicone tube, and I'll have to simply disconnect it to stop recirculation and pour the wort into fermenter! Tell me please if it is viable or not :O

I also added another sight glass to stand before the pump so I could clearly see when the wort is out to shut it down immidiately.

And the final change is going from 40gal to 54gal (205L) pot with optimal proportions (5x6). We found any suitable pot from China or US too expensive, and now we ordered all-3mm stainless welded one from local tinkershop! Currently it costs us something around 600$ with all fittings weld included, which looks like to be a good deal.

I like the set up, minus the regular ball valve and the inline filter. If your going to go with all tri clamps, at least get a tri clamp ball valve or one of the easy clean ones? Also if you have a mesh basket, what do you plan on catching in the filter? I wouldnt run whole hops through it, it will clog with that large of a batch. some people do it like Marcb with success.

The ball valve isn't regular, it is tri-clamped as well. I just grow very tired of this modelling and found some on the internet just to be there :ban:

As for the inline filter, it is mostly for hot break and hops. I plan to use pellet hops only (it is quite impossible to find leaf ones here), and I plan to make some kind of a hop spider as well. So, it is there just for absolute peace of mind and for cleaner beer (I ordered 0.2 extra mesh for it, and if my hop spider works well, I want to have extremely clean beer in fermenter and plate chiller, because cleaning chiller is MUCH HARDER that cleaning the filter, I suppose)

Anyway, it is the time to wait now. We now have a fine selection of European brews here, so waiting is not that bad now :mug:
 
Will the homemade equipment pass the inspections for authorizing a brewery?

Can't wait to see the completed system :)
 
Will the homemade equipment pass the inspections for authorizing a brewery?

Can't wait to see the completed system :)

I hope so, becase the tinkershop is legally authorized to construct breweries here, but they do it on a much larger scale (10bbl is minimum). We will try to make it all look like made by them. :fro:
 
When you are a decent guy and all, but her new boyfriend just have the bigger one:

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Her Monstrocity MM-2PRO HT has arrived, time to motorize it!:fro:
 
Today we tried to assemble everything we've got, to find out where exactly the fittings in the pot must be. As it was assembled, it looked exactly like... fluggaenkdechioebolsen, if you know what I mean :p

Anyway, all the chinese fittings fitted just the same as the american ones did. They look manly, harsh and well-polished. Either I scored too well in finding the right supplier, or overseas shipping is underrated in US :tank:

Chiller and its fittings will be on the upper side, we had no need to measure it now, so it is not included. We also ordered the oxygenation device from the Stout, which will go right after the chiller output.

And we finally decided to utmostly fullfill our greed, so we are leveling up for 3bbl brewing! This one will be final, because chiller, filter, pump and everything else would not fit the larger design :D

We also brewed some irish red today, with the all-new @wilserbrewer bag. This thing is really imbalanced! Absoulte recommendations.

Of course, some tech porn pictures included (click to enlarge). :

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The hardest part incoming - the blueprint for the pot. We do something wrong - we loose 1k$ for materials and half of work. We do something not very good - we loose more $K's later with some malfunction, and there will be no one to blame or sue. We have to do it flawlessly :O
 
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