Stout Recipe input

[ardonthorn5]

Howdy all. I'm looking to do a harvest stout and was looking for some input. Here's what I have up to this point:

6# maris otter or golden promise
2# rye malt
2# flaked spelt
2# red wheat
8 oz. roasted barley
12 oz. black patent
8 oz. crystal 120
1 oz. target at 90 mins
1 oz. fuggles at 10 mins and flameout
looking to to use the yorkshire square yeast i'm looking to mash around 156 and do a 90 minute boil (ultimately end up with 5 gallons of wort).

this is my first shot at a homegrown stout recipe, so any input would be great.

 

[meltroha]

Not sure of the rye with the Yorkshire square yeast profile, love the rest though.

 

[ardonthorn5]

the Yorky isn't set in stone.

 

[meltroha]

Smoked malt may work better, less quantity of course, then would lose the spelt

 

[ardonthorn5]

i could get rid of the spelt, but i'm really wanting to use non-barley fermentables. i'm also considering getting rid of the fuggles and using fresh Mt. Hoods...kind of goes with the harvest theme.

 

[JonM]

That's a crapload of black patent. It it was me, I'd sub that for 4 oz of black patent. Maybe make up the difference with 8 oz of chocolate barley.

 

[ardonthorn5]

I'll have to plug that in and see what it looks like. Getting excited to work this out and hammer it out.

 

[progmac]

what's your target OG? you could be approaching imperial stout territory depending on your efficiency

Regarding this bit:

8 oz. roasted barley
12 oz. black patent
8 oz. crystal 120

1. I think the ratio of roasted malts to caramel malts leans a little hard to the roasted side.
2. Often people will say to save black patent for a porter and to use roasted barley in a stout. It's also unusual to see more than 8 oz black patent

You might consider simply dropping the black patent

 

[ardonthorn5]

I'll consider that. I'm also wondering about hops. Should I have a 60 minute addition with the 90 minute boil?

 

[ardonthorn5]

I'm looking at about a 1.070 OG. I'm usually within a few points of my brewsmith target. I don't want it to be too big. I could always back my wheat/rye/spelt down to one pound each.

 

[progmac]

I'll consider that. I'm also wondering about hops. Should I have a 60 minute addition with the 90 minute boil?

i wouldn't think so, just get the ibu in the right range. i don't see any sense in dividing the hops and doing half at 60 and half at 90 but you could if you wanted to.

i just looked at your fuggles addition -- one ounce at 10min and one ounce at flameout -- and to me that is a lot of fuggle and a lot of late addition hops for a stout.

 

[SpeedYellow]

Wow, I hope you like black patent malt because that's a ton of it! Personally, I hate the stuff and have banned it from my stout recipes. It is entirely not needed and IMHO ruins the beer.

 

[GuldTuborg]

the Yorky isn't set in stone.

I see what you did there. Well played. :rockin:

And as for the patent, to each his own. I use roughly 1.5lbs of the stuff in my RIS, and love the results. Don't fear the patent. In larger quantities, it's much smoother than roasted barley, I find.

 

[ardonthorn5]

So one of the things i've been worried about is color; with that being said, i've looked at some specialty malts that may help. i'm thinking maybe a quarter or half oz. of midnight wheat or blackprinz. i know there's a lot going on in this beer, but i really like the idea of doing something involving a variety of fermentables.

 

[progmac]

So one of the things i've been worried about is color; with that being said, i've looked at some specialty malts that may help. i'm thinking maybe a quarter or half oz. of midnight wheat or blackprinz. i know there's a lot going on in this beer, but i really like the idea of doing something involving a variety of fermentables.

i love carafa iii for color. it also gives some nice smooth chocolatey type flavors with no bitterness (it is dehusked), which may work well in your recipe. anywhere between 2 ounces and 8 ounces would be fine.

 

[ardonthorn5]

i've considered it progmac. i may well use it ....

 

[ardonthorn5]

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[ardonthorn5]

Made a few changes to the recipe......well. Cut out the spelt, no carafa added midnight wheat. Turned out to be pretty damned good!


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