I’m doing a dry January.
As long as they're real cocktails.Closet hop cocktail makers in denial? It’s nothing to be ashamed about. Cocktails are legitimate beverages too.
As real as the beer. Absolutely.As long as they're real cocktails.
A very limited definition of a cocktail. Here’s one of the simplest beer cocktails:cock·tail
/ˈkäkˌtāl/
noun
noun: cocktail; plural noun: cocktails
1.
an alcoholic drink consisting of a spirit or several spirits mixed with other ingredients, such as fruit juice, lemonade, or cream.
Understanding how beer, cider, wines and spirits differ is simple when you realize the differentiation is based on alcohol content and production terms.
Wine, beer, and cider are all alcohol but not spirits or liquor.
Spirits and liquor are the same thing in your glass but not in distillation process.
What they do have in common is they are all alcohol.
A very limited definition of a cocktail. Here’s one of the simplest beer cocktails:
https://www.christinascucina.com/how-to-make-a-traditional-british-shandy-the-proper-way/
I did type ‘with very few exceptions’, but even if you wanted to cherry-pick a cloudy weiss beer, it would be a bit of a stretch to say it was representative of the vast majority of beers.Out of curiosity, do you not consider Weiss-beer not real beer because it isn't clear.....by definition.
I did type ‘with very few exceptions’, but even if you wanted to cherry-pick a cloudy weiss beer, it would be a bit of a stretch to say it was representative of the vast majority of beers.
Take a peek at "Craft beer enthusiasts" on facebook and you will see photos of pints with toys and stickers.. it is unnerving to feel this old at 46. I posted ONE photo in my underoos and was kicked out of the group!It seems to me there must be a lot of kids out there who need to take off the training wheels and see what other styles there are.
There are extreme examples of almost everything.I tend to agree that the more extreme examples are not “real beer”.
Whether it's "real beer" or not It's probably for history to decide. The history of beer has some significant shifts in styles and ingredients over the years / centuries.
Whether it's "real beer" or not It's probably for history to decide. The history of beer has some significant shifts in styles and ingredients over the years / centuries.
What's a good one to try?
I'm new here, but if anybody wants my 2cents, here they are:
Brewing NEIPAs has been the focus of my home brewing for the past three years. Tasting the world's renowned NEIPAs In order to "set my sights" and know what my ultimate goal is, has been a part of that journey.
In addition to a couple hundred lessor known NEIPAs, I've had Heady Topper, Focal Banger, (Extra) Juicy Bits, Julius, Oh-J, a few Root&Branch's, a few Other Half's and about 10 different beers each from Treehouse and Trillium, to name some of the more famous ones I've had.
For my money, Trillium makes the best NEIPAs hands down. Every single beer I've had from Trillium has been amazing. Try DDH Melcher Street or DDH Stillings Street, for example. I've been nothing but disappointed by Treehouse and would never buy another of their beers. Also excellent have been Focal Banger (but Heady Topper was disappointing), Juicy Bits and Oh-J. The best European NEIPAs I've had are from Garage Brewing in Spain (the 'Soup' NEIPAs and their new "Ziplocked 24").
With few exceptions, beer is bright by default and that brightness is what helps present the subtle complexities of beer.
Yup. This. Modern technology has allowed specfic yeast strains, newer hopsl strains, and modern technology (pressure tanks, spunding) have made it possible.NEIPAs are made the same way other ales and lagers are made. Water, Grain, Yeast and Hops.
Yeah... pretty sure Germans own the 'modern' beer movement (or mainly Europeans)... of course we are talking only 500 years or so... but i would wager most beers 500 years ago contained a 'haze' of some kind...I did type ‘with very few exceptions’, but even if you wanted to cherry-pick a cloudy weiss beer, it would be a bit of a stretch to say it was representative of the vast majority of beers.
I think I see your problem.i'm sober right now, and figure why not
I’m not so sure. The primary ingredients, including yeast, produce bright (clear) beers by default, when used to make what most people consider beer. Nor is it insignificant, culturally speaking. It’s what brewers have worked with for centuries to develop beer styles. Then stumble along a bunch of pretentious millennials rejecting ‘normality’ of established culture for the sake of self gain, financial or emotional. They weren’t well equipped to improve whatever it was they didn’t like and just crudely added more and more and more hops. Such a crude strategy was unlikely to ever improve anything. They invented a novel barley-based hop ‘smoothie’ that sits more with cocktails than beer. That doesn’t mean people can’t enjoy hop smoothies or hazies, if that’s what they like. I’m among those who view hazies too different to be called beer. Worse, it seems to have become a distraction from what was genuine progress being promoted by craft brewing up to about 10 years ago. When it was about making great beer and rejecting big macros and corporatism. Now it seems to have been hijacked by some kind of hop-industrial complex promoting heavily hopped cocktails. It’s not about passion for progress and improving things. It’s all about profits and shareholder ’value’ at any cost.Wulp... i usually stay out of these pointless needless arguments... but i'm sober right now, and figure why not.
I bet "beer" as we mostly know it today (say, the last 200 years?) is NOTHING like 'beer' from 3,000-5,000 years ago... i think most can agree it was cloudy and not clear in the least (modern refridgeration has changed this). So in that sense, i bet a hazy looks more like beer from a thousand years ago than a crisp ale/lager.
Are we only comparing hazy to beer from the last few centuries?
Could one argue the 'clear beer' is not true to beer thusly?
Where does one draw the line? 300 years? 3,000 years? 30 years?
Yup. This. Modern technology has allowed specfic yeast strains, newer hopsl strains, and modern technology (pressure tanks, spunding) have made it possible.
However- most use modifed oats, so... no Purity law compliance here.
Yeah... pretty sure Germans own the 'modern' beer movement (or mainly Europeans)... of course we are talking only 500 years or so... but i would wager most beers 500 years ago contained a 'haze' of some kind...
Just my $0.02. An opinion only. Awaiting my blasting and destruction. ( i Have the over at 1.5 for personal attacks on my personal prefernces. Don't let me down!).
Do you consider disabled/handicapped people real people? They're made with the same ingredients, after all. Asking for a friend.I’m not so sure. The primary ingredients, including yeast, produce bright (clear) beers by default, when used to make what most people consider beer. Nor is it insignificant, culturally speaking. It’s what brewers have worked with for centuries to develop beer styles. Then stumble along a bunch of pretentious millennials rejecting ‘normality’ of established culture for the sake of self gain, financial or emotional. They weren’t well equipped to improve whatever it was they didn’t like and just crudely added more and more and more hops. Such a crude strategy was unlikely to ever improve anything. They invented a novel barley-based hop ‘smoothie’ that sits more with cocktails than beer. That doesn’t mean people can’t enjoy hop smoothies or hazies, if that’s what they like. I’m among those who view hazies too different to be called beer. Worse, it seems to have become a distraction from what was genuine progress being promoted by craft brewing up to about 10 years ago. When it was about making great beer and rejecting big macros and corporatism. Now it seems to have been hijacked by some kind of hop-industrial complex promoting heavily hopped cocktails. It’s not about passion for progress and improving things. It’s all about profits and shareholder ’value’ at any cost.
What does that have to do with beer and hazy hop cocktails? I certainly wouldn’t reduce people to ‘ingredients’ or judge them regardless. I find people generally more important than cocktails, tbh. Note too that many unfortunate people have disabilities because they aren’t made of the same ‘ingredients’. That’s what a disability is, by definition.Do you consider disabled/handicapped people real people? They're made with the same ingredients, after all. Asking for a friend.
Not a good argument, after all, everything is made with the same ingredients.Do you consider disabled/handicapped people real people? They're made with the same ingredients, after all. Asking for a friend.
You mean we aren't there yet? Seems we hit pointless a while ago.Questions like that are how these conversations devolve into pointless arguments.
From this to that to Godwin’s Law.
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