This same guy is in 4th place for SEPA Hombrewer of the year: http://schomebrewers.com/content/eastern-pennsylvania-homebrewer-year-ephy-award
No kidding. I am sure there is some difficult decision making to do, but they should just make a decision and be done with it at this point.
I'm holding out hope that they needed to discuss more this Wednesday, when their club meets apparently.
I know they contacted AHA and BJCP officials for some help interpreting the rules of what qualifies as a home brew. I think this is a grey area because recently we've seen a lot of successful homebrewers take the next step to be a commercial brewer, notably Jamil Zainesheff and locally, Scott Rudich of Round Guys. However, in the rules for HOPS BOPS, it clearly says that the organizers of the competition have the ability to settle any questions or disputes and their ruling is final.I'm holding out hope that they needed to discuss more this Wednesday, when their club meets apparently.
I also wonder if there's any chance they "punted" and contacted AHA and/or BJCP for guidance.
Heard anything, soonami?
It would seem to by ber her own comments, that Janis should be on the side of disqualifying his homebrew from competition because using his homebrew and website as a "marketing tool" to get investors and distribution accounts is in my mind clearly a commercial purpose. This is Part I, 7(c), pertaining to what qualifies as homebrew:I am sure they let dennis decker keeep all the awards he "earned". That is why they arent posting the results, HOPS is probably afraid of a revolte......i contacted the AHA and DFH to fill them in on this whole pile of crap
this is what the AHA had to say
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just spoke with Dennis about his brew system, and he assured me that he uses his homebrew system in the basement of his house to produce the entries he sends to competitions. The web site is a marketing tool to gain account commitments for when his brewery actually becomes reality. As far as I am concerned, he is not breaking any rules with regard to the National Homebrew Competition.
I hope this has addressed your concerns. If not, please e-mail me directly at [email protected] . Thanks.
Havent herd back from DFH
Your homebrew cannot have been brewed on equipment used to brew beverages for any commercial purpose, whether for commercial research, production or any other purpose, including equipment at brew-on-premises establishments.
Yes. This is the part I forgot to mention. If they are to disqualify a person that won a flight or category, they'll have to bump people up in each flight to determine who should then win each flight and then be eligible for the BOS. Since this was a two bottle contest, determining who should win each flight is easy because all the second bottles that lost the mini-BOS are still leftover. However, for the competition BOS, there a logistical problem because all the second bottles were used in that tasting. So then you'd have to get people to resubmit bottles for that round of tasting. Another possibility is not to have a BOS winner and rank everyone points for each flight to determine who wins each flight if an entry is disqualified.I spoke with one of the organizers of the event. I'm not supposed to give too many details, but here are some problems they might be dealing with...
IF Dennis Decker swept the BOS and a decision was then made to DQ him, how will the new BOS winners be determined? They'd have to re-examine all scores, see who would've made the mini-BOS and rejudge from there. For some beers they may have a second beer left over to judge, but not for all.
This is also a problem in individual categories, because you can assume that if one guy sweeps BOS then it is likely he had many entries and many of those also could have placed.
There are a lot of issues to deal with and I'm glad I'm not the organizer, but I wish they would send out some explanation of what is going on so people aren't left in the dark.
I think that's why a lot of comps I've seen have a 'one per category' rule...IMO, more comps should have that rule. I think there should also be a limit as to how many entries each brewer may enter. There are enough comps all over the country (maybe even close to where you live) that, if you want feedback on 30 beers, you can get feedback on 30 beers.If he's entering 20+ entries in small comps with investors covering entry fees, that's lame, and he should stop. But it isn't cheating. The event organizers should tell him that he shouldn't enter any more comps with these intentions, and call it a day.
Dukeman9988 said:Results were posted
I think score sheets are what matter and the ribbons are just a nice reward. Nice thing is that if you get a ribbon, you win a prize. Could be a tee-shirt, opener, or some beer!Would you really want the win at this point? It's like the guy that came in second to Armstrong, or Paterno, et al. You win it by default. I would be happy you have score sheets at this point (hopefully the correct ones!), and leave it at that. Is it really worth the hassel?
The only thing that sucks is for people like me that heavily favor certain styles. I pretty much only brew sours, Belgians, and stouts.I think that's why a lot of comps I've seen have a 'one per category' rule...IMO, more comps should have that rule. I think there should also be a limit as to how many entries each brewer may enter. There are enough comps all over the country (maybe even close to where you live) that, if you want feedback on 30 beers, you can get feedback on 30 beers.
First contest I entered. Got 2 seconds and 2 thirds! I was more looking forward to getting scoresheets back than the placing. However, I'm really stoked at the results and I'm glad it rewards the people that really are passionate about homebrewing and care about making good beer.I brew to win. i didnt win and i dont always win, brewing is fun, competing is exciting......Im not letting this slow me down!
Yes! Depending on whether you are local and can pick up the prize or if it needs to be shipped, you could get anything from brewing supplies, brewery swag, glassware, tee shirts, etc!My Belgian blond took third in the table. Does this mean I get a prize?
My Belgian blond took third in the table. Does this mean I get a prize?
w00t, third place! Out of 7....haha.
I think score sheets are what matter and the ribbons are just a nice reward. Nice thing is that if you get a ribbon, you win a prize. Could be a tee-shirt, opener, or some beer!
I was really surprised because I didn't think my pale ale was anything special....I thought for sure someone had entered something better. It definitely needs more flavor hops. I'll take it.30 is a pretty good score. I heard some of the judges there were very disappointed with the quality of the pale ales and also the IPA's at a different table
Holy crap...first at table 4!!!!....with a pale ale that scored a 30. They must have low balled the hell out of everybody.
maybe I got the wrong scoresheet like some other people on this forum. I don't see anything in the scoresheet linking it to my beer per se (my name, beer name, ingredients, etc.) I think I'm going to email them. I care more about feedback than placing and, if I have the wrong scoresheet, that isn't very good feedback....however, if I have the right scoresheet, and you have a higher score than me, then you obviously deserve to be ahead of me.You took first with a score of 30? Something is off, as I took second, but my score was 38.5... oh well, I did it more for the feedback than expecting to place or anything. This was my first competition...
You took first with a score of 30? Something is off, as I took second, but my score was 38.5... oh well, I did it more for the feedback than expecting to place or anything. This was my first competition...
Placing is usually determined by a mini-BOS format. Your 38.5 might have been scored by a different set of judges than Jeremy's 30. Some judges score on a different curve than each other and the mini-BOS format for placing neutralizes those variances. In other words, score is not the determining factor in placing. My American Brown also scored higher than 30 and I took third place.
Well, I haven't heard back yet, but I was able to track my entry number (I wrote it on the check) and they gave me the wrong scoresheet. Hopefully they send the right one soon.
Yup, that's how they do it. My buddy entered a Kölsch as a Kölsch and also a Blonde (in a different comp) and the Kölsch scored higher than the Blonde but the Blonde placed better.
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