Started my 5gal batch of elderberry wine. Had enough frozen from this summer to mix up a full batch. Boiled the water on a Turkey Fryer setup and it was SOOO much better. Even @ 30*F and cold water I was done in 30 minutes! It's cooling to room temperature before I add the additives. This is the 2nd batch of elderberry. I started a 3 gal batch in Aug to enter the Beer/Wine world. I think wine will be my "winter" game since it will be less work outside. (I have a flattop elec. range in the house which is horrible for brewing)