Used to use quaf all the time when playing quarter bounce...since someone always made rule.... Couldn't say drink, drank, drunk [emoji111]I had to look this up... quaffable. Adjective. (comparative more quaffable, superlative most quaffable) (informal, usually referring to wine) Easy to drink.
I just kegged 5 gal. fresh pressed Apple juice/71b-1122. 2 weeks primary. 2 months secondary. Finished at 1.004 stabilized and backsweetened with 1 lb. orange blossom honey to 1.010
So these are all bottled finally.
I'll update the final results once we line them up and taste, probably April.
It's believed that a fair portion of flavor from wild cider fermentation comes from wild yeast Kloeckera spp. and possibly wild bacteria as well, very early in fermentation. These microbes do not survive the alcohol produced by Saccharomyces, so reusing the cake might not be that useful.I was slightly rushed on bottling day and completely forgot to save the yeast from the 'wild' ferment. Bummed, I pressed and blended my own apples with intent on saving the yeast if the result was good.
I've tried T-58 which is supposedly the same strain as 3711 French Saison and Belle Saison and the result was very sulfury, but eventually became drinkable after some venting with CO2 and dropping in a piece of copper pipe for 2 days. Assuming Belle Saison is the same as T-58, then I would add a little yeast nutrient to avoid sulfurous odors from nutrient limitation.
Belle saison is known for producing a high level of glycerol during fermentation which adds to mouth feel. This would be beneficial in cider.
This turned out to be a hit for both the sweet cider and dry cider crowd. It was dry yet sweet on the backend from the pineapple juice. Lots of compliments, will definitely make again for the summer or late summer.
I've tried T-58 which is supposedly the same strain as 3711 French Saison and Belle Saison and the result was very sulfury, but eventually became drinkable after some venting with CO2 and dropping in a piece of copper pipe for 2 days. Assuming Belle Saison is the same as T-58
Assuming Belle and WLP590 are very close cousins - they're both diastaticus - then Belle is not even closely related to T-58, which the latest sequencing work puts in a completely different family of yeast along with the bread yeasts and some distilling yeasts. It's probably best to think of T-58 as a "Belgian" (POF+) cousin of Windsor and S-33. It does seem good for biotransformation, but at the cost of some overall hoppiness.
Oh, and it turns out WLP051 mentioned above is actually a lager yeast!
T-58 is a bottle conditioning yeast. It was probably never intended as a full-fledged fermentation yeast.
Typically leaves some residual, lager-like sulfur compounds in finished beer. Recent sequencing studies show that WLP051 belongs to Saccharomyces pastorianus species, the same hybrid species as most lager strains. However, this strain has been used to make ales for decades and was previously categorized as belonging to Saccharomyces cerevisiae.
"this" was referring to Belle Saison. should have been clearer in the post.....What "this", the T-58 or Belle Saison?
Very much agree regarding your comment on Mangrove Jacks MO2 cider yeast. It ferments dry with a hint of sweetness remaining. It does throw out a strong sulfite odour. But it preserves the basic quality and taste of your fruit. It is an absolute work horse, having used it to ferment a number of different fruits. Pears, crab apples, quince and an unknown red grape. Have found it very reliable. As opposed to EC-1118 which strips out flavour and is more stinky. I have a strong suspicion that MO2 might be a rebrand of the White Labs P775 English cider yeast.I’ve had great luck with Mangrove Jack’s cider yeast. Great apple flavor and a touch of sweetness remains. I rarely backsweeten with fajc. I will sometimes add a touch of honey to backsweeten.
I’ve tried several dry wine yeasts and Notty and was not pleased with results (I’ll have to check my notes to see which). Last time I used Notty, the flavor and color were stripped away. It took a lot of fajc to tast decent.
Curious....how well does it cold crash? How are the lees? Typical ferment days? Clarity?Mangrove Jack M02 was mentioned awhile back but not making your list.
It should be #1.
Great apple flavor and delicious esters.
For the cider enthusiasts (not purists) I wanted to mention that I am having great results flavoring with this https://amoretti.com/collections/natural-artisan-flavors
Particularly the pineapple.
I've used 4 Oz per 5 gallons after primary fermentation ended, it started up for about a week longer then finished. You just can't get flavor like this messing with frozen fruit, concentrate etc.
Also used 4 Oz back sweetening one batch. Much prefer the secondary ferment method, with the Mangrove Jack's.
I have to agree with you re MO2 cider yeast. I've been using it for a number of fruit and botanical wines and ciders. I suppose it has become my 'go to' yeast when I can't quite figure what style. I similarly have been trialling the Mangrove Jacks Belgian Tripel and French Saison yeast for the appropriate beers. And even used the Belgian Tripel yeast with a feijoa cider. I highly suspect they are picking the eyes out of the better known yeasts in the market and are rebranding. Only a suspicion - as I have on two occasions asked a couple of technical questions and the replies not only take for ever but are very scant on knowledge. But yes - I agree - their product is pretty pretty good, fresh and reliable.It's a super high flocculator.
Drops real clear in old crash. No gelatin necessary.
Pretty quick fermenter.
Just came back with a packet. Was gonna try something different, that's why I was looking on this thread.
But I can't complain about this yeast.
I recently brewed a Belgian wit with their wit yeast and it was a big hit.
Packet says made in UK. It's a NZ company.
I gotta credit my LHBS guy for turning me on to it.I have to agree with you re MO2 cider yeast. I've been using it for a number of fruit and botanical wines and ciders. I suppose it has become my 'go to' yeast when I can't quite figure what style. I similarly have been trialling the Mangrove Jacks Belgian Tripel and French Saison yeast for the appropriate beers. And even used the Belgian Tripel yeast with a feijoa cider. I highly suspect they are picking the eyes out of the better known yeasts in the market and are rebranding. Only a suspicion - as I have on two occasions asked a couple of technical questions and the replies not only take for ever but are very scant on knowledge. But yes - I agree - their product is pretty pretty good, fresh and reliable.
I similarly have been trialling the Mangrove Jacks Belgian Tripel and French Saison yeast for the appropriate beers. And even used the Belgian Tripel yeast with a feijoa cider. I highly suspect they are picking the eyes out of the better known yeasts in the market and are rebranding. Only a suspicion - as I have on two occasions asked a couple of technical questions and the replies not only take for ever but are very scant on knowledge. But yes - I agree - their product is pretty pretty good, fresh and reliable.
Anyone try Enoferm M2 by Lallemand? (Doesn't seem to be widely available)
Dude in this article digs it:
https://byo.com/article/yeast-selection-for-cider/
Nice! This is on my list to try this year.Another yeast to add to the list is Omega's "Voss Kveik". It ferments extremely fast, but doesn't go completely dry. Very mild and fruity, and almost seems like it reduced the malic acid a little. Took a long time for the bottles to carbonate, but maybe I left it in the fermenter too long and there wasn't much yeast left in suspension to eat the priming sugar; it drops out *very* clear. Eventually the bottles did carbonate just fine, I'm drinking one now.
Nice! This is on my list to try this year.
What temperature? Pitch rate? Nutrients? Aeration? Thanks!
Did two batches side by side with local cold Pasteurized cider, with S04 and Safcider. S04 more body and cloudier than the Safcider. Used gelatin and cold crashed. Both have a slight Apple sweetness. The original gravity was 1.050, the S04 fermented to 1.004, Safcider to 1.000.
I finally started a batch using T-58. I poured a half gallon of apple juice in a gallon glass jug and added half a cup or so of unwashed yeast slurry from the fridge. Shook it up to aerate and slapped an air lock on top. After the fermentation settles down and it just starts to clear, I will decant the cloudy cider off the sediment (to get rid of the old beer trub) into a 3 or 4 gallon carboy, and top it up with more apple juice, yeast nutrient, and half a pound of sugar.
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