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  1. J

    Belgian Dark Strong Ale Westvleteren 12 Clone - Multiple Award Winner

    Just a note on getting this to ferment down. I've got extremely accurate temp control, a tilt hydrometer to keep track of things for when to change temps, and a temp controlled stir plate for my starter. I followed the recipe to the letter to the extreme and didn't have any issues getting this...
  2. J

    Belgian Dark Strong Ale Westvleteren 12 Clone - Multiple Award Winner

    If you're talking about Saq's original recipe, that's the pre-2014 recipe. It's sublime. You get a lot more complexity going on a lot earlier in the life of the beer. Complexity that compliments the yeast really well. I've found that that recipe reached a stage I'd consider drinkable quicker...
  3. J

    Magnetic Pump From AliExpress...

    I have the KegKingdom mark II that looks the same. Works really well. The plastic threads of the Mark I was a pain for stripping when you put fittings on them but the Mark II is near perfect. My tip is to unscrew rotate the head so the exit port (the side on) exits between the top two sets of...
  4. J

    Belgian Dark Strong Ale Westvleteren 12 Clone - Multiple Award Winner

    If all your kit (blowoff & flask) are sanitary as well as the water, you should be ok. You'll want to add it back sooner rather than later. This is a pretty high ABV beer. It's not an environment particularly compatible with life. You want to re-introduce the yeast while they're still healthy...
  5. J

    Belgian Dark Strong Ale Westvleteren 12 Clone - Multiple Award Winner

    Yes. Re-add the yeast. You need every cell you can get to get those last few points down Your gravity sounds good to me. Don't worry too much about taking too many samples. The last few points will take a lot longer and the krausen will drop more or less completely while it keeps going. Keep an...
  6. J

    Belgian Dark Strong Ale Westvleteren 12 Clone - Multiple Award Winner

    I think your starter should be ok but if it's hanging around a little longer then there's a rule of thumb on Brewer's Friend you can use Do you mean decoction or do you mean the boil-down mentioned in previous posts on the two Westy threads? A decoction involves boiling down the thick part of...
  7. J

    Belgian Dark Strong Ale Westvleteren 12 Clone - Multiple Award Winner

    Won't adjusting just the base malt have an affect on the flavour profile? Particularly with bready European pales
  8. J

    Belgian Dark Strong Ale Westvleteren 12 Clone - Multiple Award Winner

    I've read on the two westy threads of people trying this or suggesting this before. I seem to remember the conclusion being that there simply isn't much sugar left in the grist after the westy. I guess you can always try collecting second runnings and then decide if its worth going ahead then...
  9. J

    Belgian Dark Strong Ale Westvleteren 12 Clone - Multiple Award Winner

    Think its worth saying that this recipe has worked well for a large number of people including myself. Any problems are likely down to the individual brewer, their kit, any adaptations they may need to make for their kit, and any issues in things such as pitch rate/temp control. The recipe...
  10. J

    Belgian Dark Strong Ale Westvleteren 12 Clone - Multiple Award Winner

    The recommended pitch rate is a *slight* under-pitch to very slightly stress the yeast to get the right profile. But too much under/over can cause the yeast to stall out before its finished. From what I understand from previous posts, pitch rate is extremely important in this beer. Check out the...
  11. J

    Belgian Dark Strong Ale Westvleteren 12 Clone - Multiple Award Winner

    You might find the round-up of the pre-cursor to this thread at the top of page 3 helpful. Lots of info on bottling including details on re-pitching etc.
  12. J

    Belgian Dark Strong Ale Westvleteren 12 Clone - Multiple Award Winner

    I've heard people try parti-gyle with this beer before with varying success. There just isn't much sugars left in the grain after the sparge in this recipe. But let us know how it goes for you if you try :) Closest beer to this you might be able to get hold of easily is the ABT12. The brewers...
  13. J

    Belgian Dark Strong Ale Westvleteren 12 Clone - Multiple Award Winner

    The clone of the pre-2014 version of the Westy contains 7 different malts + syrups & boildown! You can certainly tell from the flavour going in to the fermenter.
  14. J

    Belgian Dark Strong Ale Westvleteren 12 Clone - Multiple Award Winner

    My wife and I brewed Saq's revised recipe for the pre-2014 Westvleteren 12 on Sunday. Pretty much went without a hitch. We ended up with a SG of 1.085 going in so added 2/3 of a pouch of Simplicity we had left over from priming the previous batch. This put us bang on 1.090. Very full mash...
  15. J

    Belgian Dark Strong Ale Westvleteren 12 Clone - Multiple Award Winner

    Bottled ours last night along with 3 other beers (long story. Our home brew club is having a "will it brew?" competition with bizarre ingredients. We pulled dried blood, like you'd use in British black pudding, out of the hat. We split the batch to try different concentrations. It..... sort of...
  16. J

    Belgian Dark Strong Ale Westvleteren 12 Clone - Multiple Award Winner

    Does anyone know if CSI is ok? They've not posted since March 2016. That's also when the last update was on the Candi Syrup Inc website blog (about moving to bigger facilities). The recipes page on the website is also somewhat out of date with the brew pipelines showing 2015 & 2016 and mention...
  17. J

    Belgian Dark Strong Ale Westvleteren 12 Clone - Multiple Award Winner

    If I remember correctly, the yeast can also stall if it rises too fast. Though this might be because it'll potentially blow off large quantities of yeast if you let it go ferment too quickly. It also has a tendency to get too hot if you don't hold the temp down. Though the early recipe did...
  18. J

    Belgian Dark Strong Ale Westvleteren 12 Clone - Multiple Award Winner

    Might be worth noting that a lot of discussion was had early in these threads about the yeast. The temp curve and racking procedure was developed to encourage certain flavour and aroma profiles and suppress others in order to achieve as close a clone as possible. For example, the high primary...
  19. J

    Belgian Dark Strong Ale Westvleteren 12 Clone - Multiple Award Winner

    I started brewing version 40 off of CSI's website on 29th May. It's currently sitting in tertiary. I thought people might be interested in a graph of the fermentation. I have a fridge I have converted to use the BrewPi control system with a small space heater inside and various sensors. I also...
  20. J

    British Strong Ale Robinsons' Old Tom Chocolate clone

    Fermentables:- 6.58kg British Pale Malt 550g Crystal 50L 185g Chocolate Malt 560g Cane Sugar (into boil pot at mash out) Hops and other boil additions:- 37g Whitbread Golding [7.8%] Boil 75mins 27g Golding [5.7%] Boil 75mins 235g Cocoa powder - Boil 15mins 24g Golding [5.7%] Boil...
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