Okay, looking up our Escondidian clone attempt ("E" caps)... 67 % LDME; 8% crystal 80, check. We used 8% munich, not sure if that factors... 5% chocolate malt, 5% candi sugar, 3% carafa II, 2.6% smoked malt, 1.3 % black patent. Came out waaaay to much dark stuff, to my taste buds. God knows what...